Without going into anything in much detail I would point out that you cannot have forgiveness in the first place without the act that is to be forgiven. You cannot even have the concept of there being something "good" without there also being something you can point to and say "bad". Also, what is good and what is bad is obviously always going to be relative, what is good for one person may quite literally kill another person.
What gets confusing is trying to actually make sense and assign words to everything, words are relative and there isn't any escaping this. How do you define words? With other words. Whether you believe in the absolute or the relative these are just words and you can confuse yourself infinitely with words due to their relative nature. What I'm trying to say is quit getting so attached to words! You clearly believe that what the church says is a lie, and I am not even telling you that you are wrong, just to stop being so attached to words.
Doing things for the greater good is absolutely silly, the greater good is a concept we have created that has no actual basis in reality, once again we are getting confused from taking words a little too seriously.
The intention of my post was not to convert you into a Bible worshipping Christian, because quite simply I do not identify with the typical Christian beliefs, honestly I can't tell you what I believe in words and why would either of us even want that? I was to try to get you to see the unreality of these things we call "words".
Alright I will humor you. Take any word, alone does this word have any meaning other than being a sound? No, the word only gains meaning in relation to the other words around it, as well as the whole system of reality we live in. Can you even conceive of the idea of nothing without also having the idea of something? Try. Give it a real shot, try to type any word you want to me to understand and somehow let me into the true sense of what you mean without any other words for context, or for that matter absolutely anything else in existence for context.
My entire point is that words are a tool! They are a symbol that we use to represent reality, not an actual reality in and of themselves other than being a sound, and a sound is only even a sound if there is something to hear a sound, as sound isn't just something that appears out of nowhere it is the relationship between things we call vibrations in the air, your ear, and your brain, without these other things sound cannot even begin to be called "sound".
So we see this world around us, and the way we've been brought up we find words to be an incredibly useful tool to make sense of the world. But what happens when the words don't make sense, or we simply can't find words to describe what we are feeling. Well, we can continue on coming up with words and using other words to define them to make some desperate attempt of explaining or making sense of a feeling. But does this really get us anywhere? At the end of the day the feeling we have isn't a jumble of words, it's something far different than that. So here we approach something to which we find words are no longer helping us to make sense of things, God, Reality, Religion, the nature of existence, all these things we find words are just too clumsy to describe tend to bother us because we want things to fit into our preconceived notions of how the world is supposed to be. My point is if you keep chasing after words for an answer you are chasing after the tool rather than the result produced by said tool. Don't get bogged down in words, and equally don't get bogged down by desiring certain outcomes over another, it's the same problem all over again.
Without going into anything in much detail I would point out that you cannot have forgiveness in the first place without the act that is to be forgiven. You cannot even have the concept of there being something "good" without there also being something you can point to and say "bad". Also, what is good and what is bad is obviously always going to be relative, what is good for one person may quite literally kill another person.
What gets confusing is trying to actually make sense and assign words to everything, words are relative and there isn't any escaping this. How do you define words? With other words. Whether you believe in the absolute or the relative these are just words and you can confuse yourself infinitely with words due to their relative nature. What I'm trying to say is quit getting so attached to words! You clearly believe that what the church says is a lie, and I am not even telling you that you are wrong, just to stop being so attached to words.
Doing things for the greater good is absolutely silly, the greater good is a concept we have created that has no actual basis in reality, once again we are getting confused from taking words a little too seriously.
The intention of my post was not to convert you into a Bible worshipping Christian, because quite simply I do not identify with the typical Christian beliefs, honestly I can't tell you what I believe in words and why would either of us even want that? I was to try to get you to see the unreality of these things we call "words".
Alright I will humor you. Take any word, alone does this word have any meaning other than being a sound? No, the word only gains meaning in relation to the other words around it, as well as the whole system of reality we live in. Can you even conceive of the idea of nothing without also having the idea of something? Try. Give it a real shot, try to type any word you want to me to understand and somehow let me into the true sense of what you mean without any other words for context, or for that matter absolutely anything else in existence for context.
My entire point is that words are a tool! They are a symbol that we use to represent reality, not an actual reality in and of themselves other than being a sound, and a sound is only even a sound if there is something to hear a sound, as sound isn't just something that appears out of nowhere it is the relationship between things we call vibrations in the air, your ear, and your brain, without these other things sound cannot even begin to be called "sound".
So we see this world around us, and the way we've been brought up we find words to be an incredibly useful tool to make sense of the world. But what happens when the words don't make sense, or we simply can't find words to describe what we are feeling. Well, we can continue on coming up with words and using other words to define them to make some desperate attempt of explaining or making sense of a feeling. But does this really get us anywhere? At the end of the day the feeling we have isn't a jumble of words, it's something far different than that. So here we approach something to which we find words are no longer helping us to make sense of things, God, Reality, Religion, the nature of existence, all these things we find words are just too clumsy to describe tend to bother us because we want things to fit into our preconceived notions of how the world is supposed to be. My point is if you keep chasing after words for an answer you are chasing after the tool rather than the result produced by said tool. Don't get bogged down in words, and equally don't get bogged down by desiring certain outcomes over another, it's the same problem all over again.