Considering the Pharaoh tomb mask, and the star above the Earth and the Pharaoh looking to it I would assume some sort of sun worship. Considering the Egyptians were the most prominent with their sun worship, most religions do it in one form or another.
Yes even Christianity.
Ever wonder why the Birth of Christ is December 25th? Winter solstice. This is when the sun is at it's lowest, but from then on day by day, we see more sun, till Spring, it symbolizes Birth/Rebirth.
Which brings us to Easter. Which symbolizes death and rebirth, the sun is approaching it's shortest days, the summer solstice. (this doesn't happen AT Easter, more closely it's the vernal equinox where days and night are briefly equal in length which THEN approaches the death for shorter days)
If you were to chart the sun and look to the horizon, you'd see what? Well you'd see a cross. This is astrology at work here, our ancestors kept note and track of the sun movements. They created their symbols to represent these significant events.
There are quite literally 100s of other characters that do this in other religions throughout all of time. Some examples are Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis and Attis, Dionysus, as well as Jesus. They die at "Christmas" and revive in Spring. It's a simple model we've seen forever.
There are other things to note about symbiology and religion. Most religions have a "garden of Eden" type origin. Man -> immortal -> choice -> Knowledge-> mortal -> physical death -> judgement -> heaven/hell. It's all a journey to make it "back" to heaven. Or the heaven equivalent. Or rest. Or whatever you believe would be on the other side of things.
It's interesting that we think our religions of this day and age are unique and praiseworthy of some notable idea that started 2000 years before Christ, and you could even have one that's almost tit for tat the same as Jesus.
I am spiritual, and I feel as though many religions understand spirituality. The "rules" are as simple as karma. Knowing what the intention is the act that was put into the world and judgement on the act and intention. I believe in good and evil. I believe that there is something after death. But beyond that, there's too much evidence no one knows what's going on except we are approaching the only thing we've ever truly known. That is what we can learn from the planet we're on. Every day since the origin of Earth the sun was there, and we've studied and observed what we can, every one's day always starts with the sun.
Just some fun studying. There's a really cool documentary I can recommend that goes further into this concept, and strangely enough goes into modern day and talks about conspiracies and how people go to control man that is contradictory to what we believe man's behavior and values have been throughout time. It's called Zeitgeist, one of the best documentaries of my life, fun fact there are 3 of them! I haven't even watched the third yet, I think it came out January of this year, the first one was 2007?2008? Very useful at any point in your life, and you'll slap yourself realizing how much we already knew about 9/11 and still nothing was done. Everything about the 9/11 story is bullshit from the official report.
Zeitgeist is BS when it comes to the religion part. It's to discredit Christ and lead you into new age.
In Christianity, Christ is never said to have been born on or near the winter solstice. That came from incorporating early sun worship with catholicism, which itself is steeped with sun worship at the higher levels.
Further, Easter is not a Christian term for the time of Passover, which marked the new year according to the Israelite calendar and the highest of their holidays. They observed a lunar calendar. Easter is likely named Easter because of Ishtar, who was heavily worshipped by some of the pagan cultures and sun worshipping sects within the Catholic church of that time.
There are a variety of zeitgeist "proofs" which are all based off of falsehoods from Acharya S, a new ager tied to luciferians like Blavatsky.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
What he covers is fact. The other religions. You may not like discussing them, but there are 100% similarities. I went to a Private Christian college and I regretted it, but what they even taught there was the same, that other religions have "partial" truths of what is at the end of the rainbow.
So let's just stop that line of thinking right there, you can't say something is BS because you don't like it. I'd rather you say that you don't like the parts where he says xyz, that would be more convincing than a blanket statement defending your faith that rejects all "offending" materials despite it's merit, but how you feel about it.
He doesn't even get into the specifics of each religion, but yes, if you study religion you notice that ALL religions have a central theme to them. ALL of them do. You have to actually be not afraid to study another religion before you can accept information that brings down your current view on your faith.
Just because you put "proofs" in quotations doesn't assert it's falsehood. It asserts how you interpret new data from a source. You found it offensive that it takes Christianity out of the spotlight. Even though it promotes it's tenants.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
That's what EVERYONE has done FOREVER when they decide to spread any thought or idea. You're giving yourself the loophole to say "it's close but not quite". At the college I went to, they always said "These other religions are good, and they promote good things, but they are only partially correct/have partial truths" because how else can you explain the "overlap" and then different conclusions? You can't.
It's either all correct or all not, and any sort of "partial truths" not given from an approved source is deemed blasphemy. Most religions are a vehicle to ruling people. Considering how kings and queens used religion for centuries to claim "divine right" to rule, even the priests and Pharisees had their hay day to saying their gods allowed them such "gifts" which were likely slight of hand and props
Say what you will, you cannot tell me there are "partial truths" while you contend to say you know best any one's version of "truth" is corrupt for not being what you whole heartedly accept. Considering he has more than enough evidence to assert a heliocentric model of worship, and we know other religions in the ancient past have also done so, why not admit that there are connections between sun worship and the god you know now?
I'm not even sayin Christianity HAS to be wrong. It's one of many religions. The part that gets me is the ignorance or the audacity to say "the religion I was born into is clearly the 1 truth, others are close but none are like mine, this is the truth, and I will die for it" yea that's great but that is every war ever right there with that thinking. Thinking other religions are attacks on your own is the kind of thinking that starts conflict. Shedding the vehicle for truth, religion, and accepting the way the world works and learning from that is how you surpass yourself in knowing what things really are.
Just my opinion. I'm Agnostic, not atheist. There's something out there, whether it's god or some other finality, so be it. But no one can or should claim to know more about an afterlife than anyone else. Divine right does not exist, and has not existed. To do so would be arrogant lest we forget the amount of false prophets these books proclaim as well. Finding the underlying way that "scripture" or "tablets" or "scrolls" all mean the same thing may be the best way to unite the world under something because as humans we all recognize good vs evil. It's not always easy to identify, but not pursuing more knowledge is in and of itself a spiritual death as well. It's up to you to learn more, and to continue learning.
Let's hope of a tolerant community rather than an exclusionary. I will say, Christianity has had it's fair share of follies and fortune. I'm not one to say what's best. Just one that claims no one should claim they found the best for everyone, they can find their own way.
You made a lot of assumptions there that I'm not even going to bother to address. What I said was fact and it seems like it's you who has a problem with the fact that Zeitgeist is based off the work of Acharya S who seemingly plagiarized some of Helena Blavatsky's new age nonsense and passed it off as fact when it wasn't.
Like I said, winter solstice has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. Mithras was never claimed to have been born from a virgin, he emerged from a rock... On and on.
However, it's from studying other religions that you can see that the paganism of the time was influential (through Roman and Catholic control of the teachings in those early years) on the practices of Christianity today -- that's not to say they influenced the Bible, since all of these practices were later added by man.
I was an atheist before I became a Christian, so another one of your assumptions was wrong. I don't have time to address all your claims, but the movie itself is a new age movie that intentionally, not by accident, teaches and refutes a false Christianity (why is there only one religion this is ever done with?) Further, it uses false truths to refute this false Christianity.
I assume you're interested in truth, since you're here. If so, put your faith to the test. I've seen what Zeitgeist claims, how about you see how easy it is to tear apart: https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg
That said, the movie's claims about banking and 9/11 are pretty accurate. Which is why I said the religion part of the movie is false -- not because it "hurt my feelings" or whatever, but because the claims have been completely demolished and proven to be garbage for over a decade.
I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.
Considering the Pharaoh tomb mask, and the star above the Earth and the Pharaoh looking to it I would assume some sort of sun worship. Considering the Egyptians were the most prominent with their sun worship, most religions do it in one form or another.
Yes even Christianity. Ever wonder why the Birth of Christ is December 25th? Winter solstice. This is when the sun is at it's lowest, but from then on day by day, we see more sun, till Spring, it symbolizes Birth/Rebirth. Which brings us to Easter. Which symbolizes death and rebirth, the sun is approaching it's shortest days, the summer solstice. (this doesn't happen AT Easter, more closely it's the vernal equinox where days and night are briefly equal in length which THEN approaches the death for shorter days)
If you were to chart the sun and look to the horizon, you'd see what? Well you'd see a cross. This is astrology at work here, our ancestors kept note and track of the sun movements. They created their symbols to represent these significant events.
There are quite literally 100s of other characters that do this in other religions throughout all of time. Some examples are Osiris, Tammuz, Adonis and Attis, Dionysus, as well as Jesus. They die at "Christmas" and revive in Spring. It's a simple model we've seen forever.
There are other things to note about symbiology and religion. Most religions have a "garden of Eden" type origin. Man -> immortal -> choice -> Knowledge-> mortal -> physical death -> judgement -> heaven/hell. It's all a journey to make it "back" to heaven. Or the heaven equivalent. Or rest. Or whatever you believe would be on the other side of things.
It's interesting that we think our religions of this day and age are unique and praiseworthy of some notable idea that started 2000 years before Christ, and you could even have one that's almost tit for tat the same as Jesus.
I am spiritual, and I feel as though many religions understand spirituality. The "rules" are as simple as karma. Knowing what the intention is the act that was put into the world and judgement on the act and intention. I believe in good and evil. I believe that there is something after death. But beyond that, there's too much evidence no one knows what's going on except we are approaching the only thing we've ever truly known. That is what we can learn from the planet we're on. Every day since the origin of Earth the sun was there, and we've studied and observed what we can, every one's day always starts with the sun.
Just some fun studying. There's a really cool documentary I can recommend that goes further into this concept, and strangely enough goes into modern day and talks about conspiracies and how people go to control man that is contradictory to what we believe man's behavior and values have been throughout time. It's called Zeitgeist, one of the best documentaries of my life, fun fact there are 3 of them! I haven't even watched the third yet, I think it came out January of this year, the first one was 2007?2008? Very useful at any point in your life, and you'll slap yourself realizing how much we already knew about 9/11 and still nothing was done. Everything about the 9/11 story is bullshit from the official report.
damn I sound crazy but I love these topics.
Zeitgeist is BS when it comes to the religion part. It's to discredit Christ and lead you into new age.
In Christianity, Christ is never said to have been born on or near the winter solstice. That came from incorporating early sun worship with catholicism, which itself is steeped with sun worship at the higher levels.
Further, Easter is not a Christian term for the time of Passover, which marked the new year according to the Israelite calendar and the highest of their holidays. They observed a lunar calendar. Easter is likely named Easter because of Ishtar, who was heavily worshipped by some of the pagan cultures and sun worshipping sects within the Catholic church of that time.
There are a variety of zeitgeist "proofs" which are all based off of falsehoods from Acharya S, a new ager tied to luciferians like Blavatsky.
That said, the best method has always been to include enough truth to sound convincing and then to distort it into the direction you with the audience to go.
What he covers is fact. The other religions. You may not like discussing them, but there are 100% similarities. I went to a Private Christian college and I regretted it, but what they even taught there was the same, that other religions have "partial" truths of what is at the end of the rainbow.
So let's just stop that line of thinking right there, you can't say something is BS because you don't like it. I'd rather you say that you don't like the parts where he says xyz, that would be more convincing than a blanket statement defending your faith that rejects all "offending" materials despite it's merit, but how you feel about it.
He doesn't even get into the specifics of each religion, but yes, if you study religion you notice that ALL religions have a central theme to them. ALL of them do. You have to actually be not afraid to study another religion before you can accept information that brings down your current view on your faith.
Just because you put "proofs" in quotations doesn't assert it's falsehood. It asserts how you interpret new data from a source. You found it offensive that it takes Christianity out of the spotlight. Even though it promotes it's tenants.
That's what EVERYONE has done FOREVER when they decide to spread any thought or idea. You're giving yourself the loophole to say "it's close but not quite". At the college I went to, they always said "These other religions are good, and they promote good things, but they are only partially correct/have partial truths" because how else can you explain the "overlap" and then different conclusions? You can't.
It's either all correct or all not, and any sort of "partial truths" not given from an approved source is deemed blasphemy. Most religions are a vehicle to ruling people. Considering how kings and queens used religion for centuries to claim "divine right" to rule, even the priests and Pharisees had their hay day to saying their gods allowed them such "gifts" which were likely slight of hand and props
Say what you will, you cannot tell me there are "partial truths" while you contend to say you know best any one's version of "truth" is corrupt for not being what you whole heartedly accept. Considering he has more than enough evidence to assert a heliocentric model of worship, and we know other religions in the ancient past have also done so, why not admit that there are connections between sun worship and the god you know now?
I'm not even sayin Christianity HAS to be wrong. It's one of many religions. The part that gets me is the ignorance or the audacity to say "the religion I was born into is clearly the 1 truth, others are close but none are like mine, this is the truth, and I will die for it" yea that's great but that is every war ever right there with that thinking. Thinking other religions are attacks on your own is the kind of thinking that starts conflict. Shedding the vehicle for truth, religion, and accepting the way the world works and learning from that is how you surpass yourself in knowing what things really are.
Just my opinion. I'm Agnostic, not atheist. There's something out there, whether it's god or some other finality, so be it. But no one can or should claim to know more about an afterlife than anyone else. Divine right does not exist, and has not existed. To do so would be arrogant lest we forget the amount of false prophets these books proclaim as well. Finding the underlying way that "scripture" or "tablets" or "scrolls" all mean the same thing may be the best way to unite the world under something because as humans we all recognize good vs evil. It's not always easy to identify, but not pursuing more knowledge is in and of itself a spiritual death as well. It's up to you to learn more, and to continue learning.
Let's hope of a tolerant community rather than an exclusionary. I will say, Christianity has had it's fair share of follies and fortune. I'm not one to say what's best. Just one that claims no one should claim they found the best for everyone, they can find their own way.
You made a lot of assumptions there that I'm not even going to bother to address. What I said was fact and it seems like it's you who has a problem with the fact that Zeitgeist is based off the work of Acharya S who seemingly plagiarized some of Helena Blavatsky's new age nonsense and passed it off as fact when it wasn't.
Like I said, winter solstice has nothing to do with Jesus' birth. Mithras was never claimed to have been born from a virgin, he emerged from a rock... On and on.
However, it's from studying other religions that you can see that the paganism of the time was influential (through Roman and Catholic control of the teachings in those early years) on the practices of Christianity today -- that's not to say they influenced the Bible, since all of these practices were later added by man.
I was an atheist before I became a Christian, so another one of your assumptions was wrong. I don't have time to address all your claims, but the movie itself is a new age movie that intentionally, not by accident, teaches and refutes a false Christianity (why is there only one religion this is ever done with?) Further, it uses false truths to refute this false Christianity.
I assume you're interested in truth, since you're here. If so, put your faith to the test. I've seen what Zeitgeist claims, how about you see how easy it is to tear apart: https://youtu.be/30AunYXtYDg
That said, the movie's claims about banking and 9/11 are pretty accurate. Which is why I said the religion part of the movie is false -- not because it "hurt my feelings" or whatever, but because the claims have been completely demolished and proven to be garbage for over a decade.
I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.