I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.
Yeah, I think one of the most profound themes throughout the Bible is not only the focus on truth (and the fact that it is hated), but also the fact that you see an intentional inversion of all the things that are positive and good according to the God of the Bible in today's world. Those were some of the first realizations that took me in that direction and they are definitely scary parallels that are at work all over today. Sometimes these inversions by powerful entities and the outright contempt that is pushed and accepted for only one belief system (Christianity and beliefs that stem from it) are the things that most reenforce the truth of the Bible, as these are different iterations of the same power structures Jesus taught against way back in the day.
One more passing comment that may be interesting to think. I was raised Mormon, which most people know about in passing or a more or less whole. I left the church years ago, it not good. Joseph Smith was a free mason, and the book he wrote, albeit very interesting for wisdom and it talks about some really high concept stuff about what happens to civilizations throughout time (though no evidence of these civilizations are really proven except for a known forgery that one prophet mistook as real called the Kinderhook plates) but I digress.
The point I wanted to make was that the study of humans and the rises and falls of societies is almost scientific. You see the warning signs along the way. When the populous starts to be so prosperous, it becomes corrupt within it's government. When it does that the government makes the people immoral. Once you lose morals, the wars, the corruption, the downfall of their society is brought to them. They go more into the politics of kings and leaders and all that, the Book of Mormon has a lot of stuff between nations and people but I would not have traded away my experience knowing the stories because they are laden with wisdom, even if the stories aren't true the wisdom prevails.
I mention this for two fold, one Joseph Smith being a free mason, may have done something on the radical end, almost revealing some sort of inner knowledge of view/scope of how to view government and society, which is what a secret society would have had a warm welcome with. The second, because the leadership now is corrupt as most religious leadership is now a days, and the abuse of the religion has perpetuated problems that religion has always exploited by evil people, the abuse of children by having a religious figure insert themselves and cause mayhem if they so choose.
Do I think that other religions piggyback off of others, sure. I think they are all trying to describe the same thing. That's what I think makes everything look and feel true in most religions. I think the powers that we try to connect to probably exist, and it's other beings from other dimensions or "beyond the vale" or what have you. This insider knowledge is hard to grasp, define, and share which is why they let wisdom do the talking. Here's what we know, we shall prove it right over time. This is where I would be looking to religion is these end times basically. Not because I need to flock to faith in fear, but because we are growing more desperate and our convictions are holding stronger than in a time where we were mostly "ok". But we may be moving again toward the age of miracles, because we are gonna need more than ever after the dust settles from whatever it is that's been happening to the world the last decade or so.
Interesting. I've heard some things about the Mormon hierarchy and those admitted to temples that definitely goes with what you say. I also don't doubt that a mason would externalize some of their teaching, as they do tend to do that in a encoded way usually, and there does seem to be layers of initiation within the Mormon hierarchy itself.
That cycle is interesting, isn't it? Happened to Ghengis Khan, all throughout the Israelite days of old, Rome, etc ... Now we see it firsthand. Hopefully it turns out better for us than it has for some of the others. In order for that to be the case we will definitely need to enter an age of miracles.
I think that they could be refuted or rebuffed, but yes the 9/11 content is magnificent. I also just like his world view approach much after the religion section. Personally, I think his abstract view on religion basically moving past it, to describe humankind and what's taken place over the course of history is the responsible approach because he tries to disarm your religious thinking to expand it to a more open space that all humans can share regardless of religion, but enhanced by their tenants of why all humans gravitate toward certain behaviors.
In doing so I think I'd be more open to exploring religion, and honestly that's true as lately I've been thinking of reading scripture again mostly because of that, and I think despite literal or religious connotations, the scriptures and holy books of old were a great accounting to how the wisdom of the millennia that have passed can be still absorbed and it's scary parallel to what we see today.
Yeah, I think one of the most profound themes throughout the Bible is not only the focus on truth (and the fact that it is hated), but also the fact that you see an intentional inversion of all the things that are positive and good according to the God of the Bible in today's world. Those were some of the first realizations that took me in that direction and they are definitely scary parallels that are at work all over today. Sometimes these inversions by powerful entities and the outright contempt that is pushed and accepted for only one belief system (Christianity and beliefs that stem from it) are the things that most reenforce the truth of the Bible, as these are different iterations of the same power structures Jesus taught against way back in the day.
That said, good talking to ya!
One more passing comment that may be interesting to think. I was raised Mormon, which most people know about in passing or a more or less whole. I left the church years ago, it not good. Joseph Smith was a free mason, and the book he wrote, albeit very interesting for wisdom and it talks about some really high concept stuff about what happens to civilizations throughout time (though no evidence of these civilizations are really proven except for a known forgery that one prophet mistook as real called the Kinderhook plates) but I digress.
The point I wanted to make was that the study of humans and the rises and falls of societies is almost scientific. You see the warning signs along the way. When the populous starts to be so prosperous, it becomes corrupt within it's government. When it does that the government makes the people immoral. Once you lose morals, the wars, the corruption, the downfall of their society is brought to them. They go more into the politics of kings and leaders and all that, the Book of Mormon has a lot of stuff between nations and people but I would not have traded away my experience knowing the stories because they are laden with wisdom, even if the stories aren't true the wisdom prevails.
I mention this for two fold, one Joseph Smith being a free mason, may have done something on the radical end, almost revealing some sort of inner knowledge of view/scope of how to view government and society, which is what a secret society would have had a warm welcome with. The second, because the leadership now is corrupt as most religious leadership is now a days, and the abuse of the religion has perpetuated problems that religion has always exploited by evil people, the abuse of children by having a religious figure insert themselves and cause mayhem if they so choose.
Do I think that other religions piggyback off of others, sure. I think they are all trying to describe the same thing. That's what I think makes everything look and feel true in most religions. I think the powers that we try to connect to probably exist, and it's other beings from other dimensions or "beyond the vale" or what have you. This insider knowledge is hard to grasp, define, and share which is why they let wisdom do the talking. Here's what we know, we shall prove it right over time. This is where I would be looking to religion is these end times basically. Not because I need to flock to faith in fear, but because we are growing more desperate and our convictions are holding stronger than in a time where we were mostly "ok". But we may be moving again toward the age of miracles, because we are gonna need more than ever after the dust settles from whatever it is that's been happening to the world the last decade or so.
Interesting. I've heard some things about the Mormon hierarchy and those admitted to temples that definitely goes with what you say. I also don't doubt that a mason would externalize some of their teaching, as they do tend to do that in a encoded way usually, and there does seem to be layers of initiation within the Mormon hierarchy itself.
That cycle is interesting, isn't it? Happened to Ghengis Khan, all throughout the Israelite days of old, Rome, etc ... Now we see it firsthand. Hopefully it turns out better for us than it has for some of the others. In order for that to be the case we will definitely need to enter an age of miracles.