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I'm not a holocaust denier but there are some incredibly strange things and definitely lies about some of it. The thing I have issues struggling with lately is anytime we say 7 or 10 or 20 or 50 million people died in some historical event no one remembers. It is almost unfathomable how many people that is and I'm really starting to wonder if a lot of that is "rough estimates" that could be wildly off
Strange like... you're set on world domination, so you're going to commit war time resources (ie, fuel for MULTIPLE crematorium) to kill people you could just shoot and bury?
Or strange like, where are the bones? Just skulls alone of 6M people would BLANKET multiple football fields, up to your head in depth. That's just the skull. 1/10th a body's mass of bone. The burial pits for the entire skeleton would be immense!
Crematorium burnt the bones to dust? So, they used EVEN MORE fuel to burn up bodies they could have just buried??? It takes so, so many hours to burn a body to dust, with the equipment that was available in the 40s.
Or strange like... they would have been burning bodies until the 1990s... no way to burn up 6M people in the span of the war. It's not an easily parallelable process.
Or strange like... those tattoo'd numbers... did they give up handing out numbers at some point? I really only remember 5 and 6 digit numbers. Anyone seen a 7 digit number starting with 5?
Don't you need 7 digits to track 6M people? Wouldn't you be able to find at least 4 million people with 7 digit numbers?
A crematorium is basically just a furnace. Why would a 1940s crematorium be THAT different than a modern one. Calories are calories. It takes a certain amount of energy to break down a body like that and it's not going to be any less or more now than it was then. Efficiency of heat creation by just straight up burning fuel is pretty damn efficient and we haven't figured out a way to magically make today's fuel burn any hotter, and I'm pretty sure concrete or other insulation also wouldn't have changed SO MUCH that it would make a difference of HOURS of efficiency.
If anything they could have been MORE efficient. After all if they were starving them, boom right there half the body mass to burn. Then you stuff a whole bunch into ONE furnace. BOOM now you're utilizing more of the heat and losing less to being radiated out the walls due to a high filled volume.
Go ask a modern cremator. They'll turn a person to ash bones and all in two hours. Stuff a 50 people in there at once, use some more fuel now you're at 50/hr PER furnace. Run that thing full time that's 300,000/yr. I'm assuming they didn't run it full time however. But they probably did have multiple going over multiple years. I'm not saying you're wrong about some of the high victim numbers being worth some skeptism. But it ain't because they couldn't cremate them all. At least theoretically it's possible and even if negligible difficulty.
** shit reading that my math is off but you're still within an order of magnitude of the low estimates with just a few furnaces
Wow.
I really don't know how to respond to this, since most of it is incorrect.
Modern day, INDUSTRIAL crematoria, take 3-4 hours to burn up 1 body. The skeleton remains at 3-4 hours...
Even within modern crematoria, which burn efficiently and at high temperatures, the skeleton will survive. The skeletal remains are then raked from the cremator and the remains placed in a machine known as a cremulator, which grinds the bones into ash.
In the 1940s, there were not robust natural gas production, transport and storage.
Temperature is important.
They could not use coal, or wood... where the hell do you get that much coal or wood during a war? Who gets it for you, during a war?
So, fuel oil... that you use... for burning jews, or running a war?
Or natural gas... I just don't know where the hell they got natural gas in that great of a supply.
The crematoria had to run 24/7, because there is no point stopping... and it takes time to warm up.
You can't stuff 50 bodies in there because... YES, calories are calories... and you're not going to burn 50 bodies at once with 1940's fuel and technology.
Does your car look the same as a 1940s car?
You need to fact check YOURSELF...
how are you burning 50 per hour?
I have asked a modern crematoria. You know those are tiny, run singles, and have dozens of gas jets?
Still takes a MINIMUM of 3 hours. TODAY.
If you stuff 50 in there, it'll take a whole day. Not 1 hour. And most of the bones will be left.
Where are all the bones?
Did we build a bone crusher for each crematoria? Where are they? Where are the plans for them?
3 hours MINIMUM is proven incorrect with a basic internet search. It often does take that long, but calling it a minimum is manipulation.
And yes in fact I would argue that cars of the 40s are basically the same today.
The technology has incrementally improved but is fundamentally the same.
They have improved considerably in efficiency. But it's efficiency in producing kinetic energy. Which has room for improvements in efficiency in ways simply producing heat does not.
That is why I didn't use a car analogy. But thanks for the strawman.
Since you decided to quote the part that I already SPECIFICALLY admitted was wrong, and argue that point I really don't see any evidence you're interested in a good faith discussion even if you are right.