"As we approach chapter seventeen of the Revelation the visions of John move rapidly toward a double climax. We are in the ascending foothills beyond which are the towering twin peaks of the Revelation — the fall of Mystery Babylon and the ascendancy of New Jerusalem. This seventeenth chapter has sometimes been called a "twisted rope" or a "tangled web," for there are many ambiguous, puzzling, and somewhat perplexing and bewildering scenes which seem beyond comprehension or understanding. However, we will not find the chapter too difficult if we proceed with patience and holy waiting upon the Spirit of Truth to quicken our hearts and enlighten our minds with that wisdom which is from above. Let us pray for the spirit of understanding to understand that which is written for our blessing and edification!"
"No word given to a prophet from the Lord by the Holy Spirit can be truthfully understood or interpreted unless the same spiritual understanding is given to the reader by the Holy Spirit that gave it originally to the prophet. God’s elect in this hour is being given the ability to "Hear what the Spirit saith," and it is the same anointing wherein it was spoken and written. The book of Revelation, like any other part of the scriptures and prophecies, must be "spiritually" understood. Understanding came to the disciples of Jesus when He "opened unto them the scriptures." Before that their natural understanding was unfruitful. They didn’t have a clue! They read all the scriptures and never saw Jesus there until He "opened" the scriptures to them. And it wasn’t a doctrine that He shared with them, it was spiritual illumination that burst forth within their hearts!"
"We must remember that what John is writing is prophecy, and prophecy is not merely history written beforehand. The prophet’s distinguishing characteristic is not foresight but insight. He peers behind the appearance of things to the spiritual realities they represent and he announces the things that he sees in the most vivid and arresting ways as they are communicated to him in signs and symbols. This does often involve prediction as to the future yet the vindication of the truth of his message does not lie in the exact correspondence of event with prediction but in the true apprehension of the eternal principles and spiritual realities revealed therein. O that the saints of the Lord might see that the value of any prophecy of scripture does not lie in the ability of the prophet to forecast the future, but in the insight it shows into the purposes of God and the power it has to quicken discernment and understanding in the spiritual realities of the kingdom of God."
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The why doesn't He just tell us that? You and the crank are taking literal physical kingdoms and making them into notions. I'm not.
I don't know why Andy, it seems experience is an important thing with God. I've experienced a lot of Babylon, and I'm happy when I get delivered from it. The interpretation of Revelation that Eby is teaching is all about you learning to overcome Babylon, and follow Jesus Christ and only Jesus Christ. Many of the doctrines you have are not from Jesus, they are interpretations of men. It is the Spirit that teaches us, our relationship as the Body of Christ is purely Jesus Christ as our head. Doctrines must all be proven by the Spirit, that takes experience.
In this life, I agree. The next world is what Revelations is prophesying, the coming Kingdom, with Jesus Christ sitting on a literal throne in a literal Jerusalem temple.
Do you believe in angels, in the here and now?
Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
That is awesome Andy, we are the New Jerusalem, God and lamb are in us. You know it used to be Babylon that we were, the dragon, the beast and the false prophet set up there kingdom in us. The book of Revelation is about destroying the spiritual city of Babylon, and Bringing "the the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven", The city of Jerusalem is where God tabernacles, where God lives, and we are the temple of God...........we in God and God in us. It is future, but much of the book is presently happening now, Christ is purifying His bride...............lots more.
Yes, angels are messengers. Are you looking for a message? It does not matter, the angels of God come whether you are looking for them or not, but you can miss them.
Peace Brother.