The husband bought a shotgun and the background check took too long so he was allowed to complete the purchase and take it home. Then, after that time, the FBI check came back that the husband was not allowed to own the gun, and as what happens in these cases, the ATF is notified to go and retrieve the firearm.
The wife isn't sure about this plain clothes law enforcement individual, and calls 911. He speaks through the door to her and gives her his name and badge/ID to the 911 operator who was supposed to verify for the wife. Instead, the operator sends out a call that a man who is posing as a LEO is trying to force entry into the house. Chaos ensues.
At no point was the ATF agent breaking any laws, even if he was a regular joe. Just remember that when someone calls the police on you for legally carrying your gun and you get scared-to-death officers pointing weapons at you from the jump - screaming at you to get on the ground like a dog. We should all be careful about how we cheer on police misconduct and abuse of power to salve their fragile egos.
The officers knew exactly who the guy was, trust me.
They roughed him us according to procedure because they can, knowing that following their procedure to the letter a roughly as they can will protect them, all to send a clear message to the feds about spooking around their jurisdiction.
I know there are lot of reasons to not like cops, but local cops are just as jackbooted by the tyrannical feds as the rest of us. And they despise them even more so than we do since they get a front row seat to the massive amounts of tyrannical abuse the feds commit on a daily basis.
Never forget Waco TX is what the feds think of you, and how they will deal with you. And no Waco wasn't a situation gone out of control. The plan from the very start was to KILL every last person in that compound without mercy so they could intimated anybody else thinking of resisting them. Thing was their plan to get away with it was they were going to do it SO BIG, so aggressive, so insanely that nobody would believe that was how it actually happened, what with firebombs, tanks, and machine gun fire in a frontal assault and then following up with chaning the doors shut and lighting the compound on fire.
I mean in the 1990's would have believed the FBI went harder than the KGB in killing their own people?
And then they missed the reporter team with long range telephoto lenses that recorded it all.
The feds are your ENEMY. They want you licking the boots, or dead. Cops know this.
Cop an't our friend either, but enemy of my enemy is enemy of my enemy and I will cheer them all all day as they fight each other.
The officers only knew what they were told. In your words someone was impersonating an officer and trying to force their way into the home. They had an OBLIGATION to secure the individual and ascertain the truth.
When they got there, the ATF prick could have cooperated and not act like a pompous ass. From everything I see, he made all the choices that lead to that outcome.
That moron cop got out of the car and immediately drew his weapon on a guy holding paperwork. Screamed 3 different commands at him in less than 2 seconds - 'hands up' / 'show me your ID' / 'get on the ground'. Which one should he have complied with?
This is totally an issue between the 911 operator and the police. There is no law that says you or I have to get on the ground. When the agent told him for the millionth time that he was a federal agent (a felony if he was lying), and the stupid cop yelled again for him to get on the ground, the agent stated 'I'm not getting on the ground' and the stupid cop says 'That's fine - why didn't you ID yourself?'
How could he have ID'd himself when every time the cop yelled for him to ID he also yelled don't reach (for his ID). Then after tasing him and arresting him even though he was lawfully conducting himself, the stupid cop says 'he wouldn't ID himself' which was 100% wrong.
Stop being a boot-licker and remember that these tactics that you applaud will only be applied more and more to the rest of us because it will be considered 'good policing'.
The husband bought a shotgun and the background check took too long so he was allowed to complete the purchase and take it home. Then, after that time, the FBI check came back that the husband was not allowed to own the gun, and as what happens in these cases, the ATF is notified to go and retrieve the firearm.
The wife isn't sure about this plain clothes law enforcement individual, and calls 911. He speaks through the door to her and gives her his name and badge/ID to the 911 operator who was supposed to verify for the wife. Instead, the operator sends out a call that a man who is posing as a LEO is trying to force entry into the house. Chaos ensues.
At no point was the ATF agent breaking any laws, even if he was a regular joe. Just remember that when someone calls the police on you for legally carrying your gun and you get scared-to-death officers pointing weapons at you from the jump - screaming at you to get on the ground like a dog. We should all be careful about how we cheer on police misconduct and abuse of power to salve their fragile egos.
The officers knew exactly who the guy was, trust me.
They roughed him us according to procedure because they can, knowing that following their procedure to the letter a roughly as they can will protect them, all to send a clear message to the feds about spooking around their jurisdiction.
I know there are lot of reasons to not like cops, but local cops are just as jackbooted by the tyrannical feds as the rest of us. And they despise them even more so than we do since they get a front row seat to the massive amounts of tyrannical abuse the feds commit on a daily basis.
Never forget Waco TX is what the feds think of you, and how they will deal with you. And no Waco wasn't a situation gone out of control. The plan from the very start was to KILL every last person in that compound without mercy so they could intimated anybody else thinking of resisting them. Thing was their plan to get away with it was they were going to do it SO BIG, so aggressive, so insanely that nobody would believe that was how it actually happened, what with firebombs, tanks, and machine gun fire in a frontal assault and then following up with chaning the doors shut and lighting the compound on fire.
I mean in the 1990's would have believed the FBI went harder than the KGB in killing their own people?
And then they missed the reporter team with long range telephoto lenses that recorded it all.
The feds are your ENEMY. They want you licking the boots, or dead. Cops know this.
Cop an't our friend either, but enemy of my enemy is enemy of my enemy and I will cheer them all all day as they fight each other.
Misconduct?
The officers only knew what they were told. In your words someone was impersonating an officer and trying to force their way into the home. They had an OBLIGATION to secure the individual and ascertain the truth.
When they got there, the ATF prick could have cooperated and not act like a pompous ass. From everything I see, he made all the choices that lead to that outcome.
That moron cop got out of the car and immediately drew his weapon on a guy holding paperwork. Screamed 3 different commands at him in less than 2 seconds - 'hands up' / 'show me your ID' / 'get on the ground'. Which one should he have complied with?
This is totally an issue between the 911 operator and the police. There is no law that says you or I have to get on the ground. When the agent told him for the millionth time that he was a federal agent (a felony if he was lying), and the stupid cop yelled again for him to get on the ground, the agent stated 'I'm not getting on the ground' and the stupid cop says 'That's fine - why didn't you ID yourself?'
How could he have ID'd himself when every time the cop yelled for him to ID he also yelled don't reach (for his ID). Then after tasing him and arresting him even though he was lawfully conducting himself, the stupid cop says 'he wouldn't ID himself' which was 100% wrong.
Stop being a boot-licker and remember that these tactics that you applaud will only be applied more and more to the rest of us because it will be considered 'good policing'.