Bible Verse Of The Day
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When you start bandying about with hyperbolic rhetoric and claiming that my argument (based solely on Paul's writing) is based on false doctrine, do you really expect me to take that in good faith? You should have realized that you were taking it too far. That's not talking doctrine, it is starting a fight. Perhaps you are the one who needs to do some growing.
I will only make this one last post, because I feel that you are trying to waste my time.
My last argument comes from my first post.
Paul says this: "15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me."
He is speaking in present tense. He says that "what I AM DOING (sinning) I do not understand. For what I WILL TO DO" (righteous deeds), that I do not practice; But WHAT I HATE (sin), THAT I DO.
Tell me this: If he (in present tense) does not do the good that he wants to do and DOES do the EVIL (SIN) he does not want to do, what does that make him? A SINNER! Sinners sin. If you sin you are a sinner. Paul says that he is continuing to sin, even though he is walking in the spirit. If you say otherwise you are either lying to me or to yourself.
He is still justified by Christ's blood, of course. But he is still a sinner. Because he still sins.
This is not He USED to be a sinner. This is a 100% absolute verifiable certainty that he is still sinning because he says so in plain language.
I am not righteous, and neither are you. We are imputed Christ's righteousness. It is not our righteousness that saves us. It is HIS.
Romans 3:10
As it is written:
“There is none righteous, no, not one;
Chapter 7 is explaining how the flesh works in us, chaper 8 explains how to mortify the deads of the flesh, quit fighting to stay in sin, come out of sin, the way has been made for you by the Spirit. Stop calling yourself a sinner.
Paul, like you and me still has a flesh, in chaper 7 he is explaining how it works. In chapter 8 he explains how it is defeated. You can still walk in the flesh, then you are sinning, Paul explains that we walk according to the Spirit and are free from the power sin and death. You are not a sinner, your flesh is, now you do put to death the flesh, by the Spirit. You're not a sinner.
semantics
Are you living to your flesh? That is not semantics, it is what chaper 8 is about, mortifying the deads of the flesh, crucifying the flesh, and it is done by righteousness. Now that is semantics, the spirit is 100% righteous. Don't you live perfect things? Babylonian doctrine says nothing is perfect.
What's that mean?
"Sinner" is just a word. Its meaning is simply "one who commits a sin".
If I said that "I am someone who has committed a sin and will probably commit sins in the future, but I am justified by the blood of Christ" would you have a problem with it?
It would be the same thing as "I am a sinner justified by the blood of Christ." Which you apparently would have a problem with because you have an unreasonable aversion to the term "sinner"
You seem to think that the word sinner magically makes you unjustified. It is just a word. Your flesh is sinful. You are a sinner. You are also justified by faith.
I am not "fighting to stay in sin." I am walking in the spirit just like Paul. I walk according to the Spirit and I am free from the power of sin and death. I am also a sinner. I occasionally sin. Jesus Christ's grace covers me and washes away my sin. Simple. Sinner is just a word. I am under grace. Grace is not just a word. My flesh is wicked. I am a sinner. I am saved. The grace of Jesus, and His righteousness justify me. Not my works. If I have good works, they do not justify me, Christ does. If my flesh sins, it does not unjustify me. Christ covers sin.
Sinner is just a word. Stop overthinking it.