I am staying in Mexico for a few months in a small town with not many tourists. Literally every single Mexican I’ve met has some sort of first or second hand connection with the US. I constantly get people from this town who live in the US and are back visiting family who stop and talk to me wondering why I’m here then telling me they are living in US blah blah.
I love Mexican culture and people, but it needs to stay in mexico. I never judge the individual unless they deserve it, but it pisses me off how infiltrated our culture has become with no end in sight. Whatever number we’ve been told in regards to how many Latinos are in the US, I guarantee it’s a lie and is much much higher.
I love Mexican culture and people, but it needs to stay in mexico.
I'm going to disagree. It just has it's place.
When my mother's ancestors moved here from Italy, her grandfather laid out the rule: in public, you are American. In the home, you can be Italian. So, outside the home English was spoken, and they made attempts to fit in. At dinner is where the conversations were carried out in the old language, and old customs were followed. Festivals and stuff were OK as well.
As I heard it, the story in America started with the eldest saying "You are Americans now."
My point was meant to be what you said. I also have family who moved here from Italy and Germany, and they all fully embraced American culture. Those are the immigrants we deserve, but we are instead today mostly getting immigrants who want to turn our culture into that of their home country and they should all pack a bag and return to the culture they are longing for.
It can't be simultaneously OK for you to be in Mexico but not OK for Mexicans to be in USA. That's surely a double standard.
I am not trying to be a smartarse I really don't understand why white English-speakers consider themselves to be the "natural inhabitants" of USA and that other nationalities somehow don't belong and should be discouraged. OK some scattered native tribes but North America was effectively a huge empty wilderness up until a few hundred years ago when it began to fill up with immigrants from all over the world, OK including from England but not restricted to.
Having said that my only experience of Mexico is watching Narcos so I am maybe in no position to start making judgements. I would love to visit actually.
It’s not all about where you come from, it is the culture you choose to embrace. I am living in a city with almost no Americans, I am speaking Spanish, I am embracing and adapting to the culture. I am not finding a little America in Mexico to live, I am not waving an American flag, although I still blast country music when I drive. My point is, I want immigrants who move to the states to do the same. Don’t find pockets of Mexican culture in the states, speak English, don’t wave the Mexican flag. Those are the immigrants we deserve.
I love the United States, I bleed red, white, and blue, but while I am in Mexico, I am adapting and learning the culture as much as possible and not trying to convert Mexico to America. I’m not demanding more white people in politics. I sure as shit should never deserve the right to vote here. And I want the same for back home.
You're lucky to have the opportunity to spend time in Mexico. If I was able to get there I could only be a tourist and would struggle really to understand the culture. I used to spend a lot of time in Spain because it is close by, and I do see the value of being able to spend "slow time" in another country as opposed to 7 days on the beach. Spain has reopened to non-injected recently so I am hoping to get back there for October.
I fail to understand the USA though. Whenever I have been there everyone is incredibly proud of their culture, people tell me they are Irish, or Polish, and it doesn't seem to be a problem. Except Mexicans somehow don't count. I have a Spanish close friend married into an English family here and when they made a Disneyland trip to the US their local friends warned her not to reveal that she was/spoke Spanish because everyone would treat her like dirt. There's something not right with that.
I too am trying to speak Spanish when I am in Spain and it's coming along. A few years ago I went directly from Madrid to Los Angeles so the language was "fresh in my mind" and later while driving north I stopped at a taco place. The Mexican bloke genuinely didn't speak English and seemed absolutely floored when I was able to order stuff in basic Spanish.
I've had the exact opposite in Wales though - they are not keen on the English and switch to Welsh language to piss you off. Not much I can do about that except avoid lol.
I could be wrong, but what you're saying about Irish and Polish are people being proud of their heritage and not necessarily their culture. And to me, one should absolutely be proud of their heritage and culture, but if you move to a new country, you remain proud, but you make the effort to mold into the culture you're in and shouldn't try to turn your new country into your old country.
In any case, I also love the spanish language and am happy you've made efforts to learn it. I love spanish speaking culture and love the opportunity to immerse myself in it, but I want to be able to return home to the United States of America and don't want to leave latin culture only to return home to latin culture again. Just like I don't want to arrive into latin culture to only be surrounded by American culture. Why even travel or move abroad to begin with if that would be the case?
I am staying in Mexico for a few months in a small town with not many tourists. Literally every single Mexican I’ve met has some sort of first or second hand connection with the US. I constantly get people from this town who live in the US and are back visiting family who stop and talk to me wondering why I’m here then telling me they are living in US blah blah.
I love Mexican culture and people, but it needs to stay in mexico. I never judge the individual unless they deserve it, but it pisses me off how infiltrated our culture has become with no end in sight. Whatever number we’ve been told in regards to how many Latinos are in the US, I guarantee it’s a lie and is much much higher.
I'm going to disagree. It just has it's place.
When my mother's ancestors moved here from Italy, her grandfather laid out the rule: in public, you are American. In the home, you can be Italian. So, outside the home English was spoken, and they made attempts to fit in. At dinner is where the conversations were carried out in the old language, and old customs were followed. Festivals and stuff were OK as well.
As I heard it, the story in America started with the eldest saying "You are Americans now."
My point was meant to be what you said. I also have family who moved here from Italy and Germany, and they all fully embraced American culture. Those are the immigrants we deserve, but we are instead today mostly getting immigrants who want to turn our culture into that of their home country and they should all pack a bag and return to the culture they are longing for.
It can't be simultaneously OK for you to be in Mexico but not OK for Mexicans to be in USA. That's surely a double standard.
I am not trying to be a smartarse I really don't understand why white English-speakers consider themselves to be the "natural inhabitants" of USA and that other nationalities somehow don't belong and should be discouraged. OK some scattered native tribes but North America was effectively a huge empty wilderness up until a few hundred years ago when it began to fill up with immigrants from all over the world, OK including from England but not restricted to.
Having said that my only experience of Mexico is watching Narcos so I am maybe in no position to start making judgements. I would love to visit actually.
It’s not all about where you come from, it is the culture you choose to embrace. I am living in a city with almost no Americans, I am speaking Spanish, I am embracing and adapting to the culture. I am not finding a little America in Mexico to live, I am not waving an American flag, although I still blast country music when I drive. My point is, I want immigrants who move to the states to do the same. Don’t find pockets of Mexican culture in the states, speak English, don’t wave the Mexican flag. Those are the immigrants we deserve.
I love the United States, I bleed red, white, and blue, but while I am in Mexico, I am adapting and learning the culture as much as possible and not trying to convert Mexico to America. I’m not demanding more white people in politics. I sure as shit should never deserve the right to vote here. And I want the same for back home.
You're lucky to have the opportunity to spend time in Mexico. If I was able to get there I could only be a tourist and would struggle really to understand the culture. I used to spend a lot of time in Spain because it is close by, and I do see the value of being able to spend "slow time" in another country as opposed to 7 days on the beach. Spain has reopened to non-injected recently so I am hoping to get back there for October.
I fail to understand the USA though. Whenever I have been there everyone is incredibly proud of their culture, people tell me they are Irish, or Polish, and it doesn't seem to be a problem. Except Mexicans somehow don't count. I have a Spanish close friend married into an English family here and when they made a Disneyland trip to the US their local friends warned her not to reveal that she was/spoke Spanish because everyone would treat her like dirt. There's something not right with that.
I too am trying to speak Spanish when I am in Spain and it's coming along. A few years ago I went directly from Madrid to Los Angeles so the language was "fresh in my mind" and later while driving north I stopped at a taco place. The Mexican bloke genuinely didn't speak English and seemed absolutely floored when I was able to order stuff in basic Spanish.
I've had the exact opposite in Wales though - they are not keen on the English and switch to Welsh language to piss you off. Not much I can do about that except avoid lol.
I could be wrong, but what you're saying about Irish and Polish are people being proud of their heritage and not necessarily their culture. And to me, one should absolutely be proud of their heritage and culture, but if you move to a new country, you remain proud, but you make the effort to mold into the culture you're in and shouldn't try to turn your new country into your old country.
In any case, I also love the spanish language and am happy you've made efforts to learn it. I love spanish speaking culture and love the opportunity to immerse myself in it, but I want to be able to return home to the United States of America and don't want to leave latin culture only to return home to latin culture again. Just like I don't want to arrive into latin culture to only be surrounded by American culture. Why even travel or move abroad to begin with if that would be the case?