Anyone know whether CERN was running at the time? Not to re-rail everyone's enthusiasm over Haarp but we honestly don't know much of anything about either, we can hardly debate anything other than what we're told they do - or don't do If I'm not mistaken, I thought this was the place where we can freely discuss ideas and theories. Many of these ideas we discussed a few years ago were wildly unsubstantiated. Today, we have proof we were correct. Forgive me, but I do not trust the science. There is much more we're not allowed to know than we actually know.