The demand for child sex is fueled by porn & fornication which in turn comes from decoupling sex from procreation, marriage, and family.
Ultimately, this has its source in idolatry and the rejection of God.
We're being shown in real-time the logical progression of liberalism. Rejection of Jesus -> Rejection of external divine authority and law -> acceptance of internal authority and do whatever I want -> acceptance of birth control -> sex is for fun -> acceptance of divorce -> acceptance of baby murder -> acceptance of child sex etc. etc. etc.
Disagree on 1 point. Sex in marriage is intended for pleasure and true connection. I feel bad for those who miss out on this because they believe the lie it should only be for procreation. A healthy marriage is sexy and fun.
Is the biological purpose of eating 1) nutrition or 2) pleasure?
Do you suppose taste buds are a mistake?
No
What is the biological purpose of eating?
And what's the biological purpose of taste buds?
to aid in eating.
what is the biological purpose of eating?
i've answered 2 of your questions, so please stop dodging mine.
I feel bad for you fren.
what is the biological purpose of eating?
you're dodging because you know what the answer is and it completely goes against what you desperately want to keep for yourself, the pleasure of sex, and not make you feel guilty.
having sex solely for pleasure is like tasting and chewing up food for pleasure and spitting it back out.
To continue existing
nutrition ... pleasure is not the purpose of eating but is there to encourage it bc nutrition is so important.
to make eating about pleasure is like chewing up food and spitting it out.
to make sex about pleasure morphs into horrors like rape, pederasty etc.
Why does it have to be either/or and not both/and?
Eating for pleasure does have its risks, and excessive eating, aka gluttony, is warned against in scripture. Yet Christ ate and drank, so much so that the Pharisees tried to accuse him of gluttony.
Eating also has another pleasurable aspect: the fellowship that it facilitates. Hanging out with your friends is always more fun when you have something good to eat, right?
And if eating can have its pleasurable aspects, then so can sex within marriage.
Did God not create the human reproductive system? Both men and women have organs in the reproductive system whose sole purpose is to create feelings of pleasure.
Don’t attribute to Satan the good things that God has given for us to enjoy in the right place at the right time.
the pleasure of sex is not the primary purpose, it is procreation. the pleasure is so we do it because it is an important thing to have children and families. if you make sex about pleasure then it morphs into porn, beastiality, pedo, fornication, and all sorts of horrors.
This idea is not supported by scripture in the slightest. There is the commandment for Adam and Eve (and the descendants of Noah) to be fruitful and multiply, but that does not imply anything about the relative importance of pleasure in sexual intimacy. You are reading into the Bible something that isn't there.
Then explain Song of Solomon. Children are hardly mentioned, if at all. Yes, it can be used as a metaphor, but the metaphor doesn't make sense unless the physical or literal aspect is at least somewhat true.
Also explain Hebrews 13:4, "Marriage is honorable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whore mongers and adulterers God will judge." No children mentioned there either.
It is not the focus on pleasure that is the problem. It is the obsession and idolization of it. The problem is not the pleasure, it is man's tendency to reject God's boundaries regarding how the pleasure is derived.
God created some things, like food and sex, that are inherently pleasurable when they didn't really have to be. He created them that way because He wants us to have good things and enjoy them, again according to His design (which actually makes these things the most enjoyable without the guilt and consequences of sin). The fact that Satan and our sin nature twist these desires into something abominable, doesn't render the original pleasure itself sinful or "lesser".
Right there.
Onan is having sex, not for babies, but for pleasure, and God sees it as wicked and strikes him dead. And before you give the common argument that God is punishing Onan for not fulfilling his duty to bear kids for his brother, here is the actual punishment for that:
Notice that the punishment is not death but humiliation.
Here is Martin Luther:
Yes, Oman was intentionally not trying to have children, but that doesn’t mean he was doing it only for pleasure. You’re setting up a false dichotomy.
He was doing the bare minimum to make it look like he was doing his job, without actually doing it. As for why he was struck dead when the usual punishment is humiliation, note that he was supposed to be an ancestor of Christ. He was “preventing” (humanly speaking) the advent of Christ through the line of Judah. That’s why God killed him, so that someone else would actually do their job and continue the line (even though that eventually came through Judah’s own sin).
I see you have to quote other people’s opinions of scripture, not scripture itself, to derive your perception of human sexuality.
The only person you are quoting is yourself.
AGREED. Man behaving like beasts.
They deny the reproductive purpose, and divert it into mere "pleasure" which is unsatisfying and leads to greater abuses of the human powers of procreation.
Heck they are already into child sacrifice and Satanism . . .
all for pleasure? no all to be a god! unto oneself only beholden.
I'd say don't confuse Love with pleasure. It's called Making Love for a reason. Making babies should come out of two people making love.
And I agree that making babies within the structure of marriage is the foundation of our culture. A foundation we need in order to survive.
The proper end of sex is procreation.
The proper end of eating is nutrition.
Both have pleasure associated with it, but it is not the proper end. The purpose of pleasure is so that you have sex, so that you eat, because procreation and nutrition are so important to life.
If you say the proper end of sex is pleasure, then what follows is hedonism, fornication, rape, pederasty and other evils.
If you say the proper end of food is pleasure, then you get obesity and disease.