I would love to know an anon’s opinion of this interview between a rabbi and a christian:
(www.auricmedia.net)
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Also you can look back to Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion at least for the world domination thing. 1930s or earlier there.
That's another fable. It's a hoax that might have started as satire but then someone decided to take it seriously. It was written about 1902 in Russia and was a handy reference when the pogroms against the Jews started there. Then the Nazis used it to teach children. It's been debunked several times but still has the dubious honor of being the most successful anti- Semitic tract ever written.
Why does anyone want to believe this stuff? Why are so many people so envious and hostile to a group that has never had more than a few million, even counting those who are completely secular? Because they really are more successful in maintaining an identity despite of thousands of years of being attacked? It is to be expected that Satan would attack God's chosen people, I suppose, but it's disappointing to see that there are so many nominal Christians who swallow this junk uncritically.
I mean, hypothetically playing devils advocate why have they been kicked out of so many countries? I am not giving either side a pass but just asking if the idea that everyone mercilessly persecuted the innocent group who never did anything could be a bit of a gloss? 🤔
Are you aware of the way the tsars allowed the mosaic Jews to continue to live unmolested while pogroms happened to the Talmudic jews? Is it not possible that the Judaism that derived from the council of Yomni (sp?) Post destruction of the Temple MIGHT NOT be the same as what Moses was repping?
Just asking. You seem into this and I've done a bit of reading myself on the matter. I look forward to talking further.
The story behind the Protocols is quite long and tangled, and much of the evidence debunking it is either in things we'll never see now like old newspapers that no longer exist or in a foreign language or both. Wiki has a pretty good summary with over 70 footnotes and cross references, but if you don't trust Wiki, there are several books currently available which are perhaps a little more readable: The Plot: The Secret Story of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; The Lie That Will Not Die: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion; and several others. There has always been anti-Jewish sentiment, as in that old Greek myth. The Protocols got its start in the 19th Century from various screeds against the Jews, but much of the text itself is actually plagiarized from a play and another book.
Definitely Judaism changed when the Temple was gone, because Judaism had always been rather unique in being centered around one building where God actually dwelt. That goes back to Moses and the Tabernacle, though. This was why only the High Priest could go into the Holy of Holies and that only one day a year, the Day of Atonement. And animal sacrifices could only take place at the Temple under strictly regulated procedure. No Temple, no sacrifices. The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Zealots, in their rebellion against the Romans, brought their own house down. That's an epic story of why politics and religion can't coexist. Since the First Century, it's all been the remainder of the scattered rabbis trying to hold their traditions together. The Talmud developed by the 5th Century as it is now, that's another long and tangled story.
The situation in Russia and the pogroms also had to do with politics. The Jews were a handy scapegoat for failures of the Tsars. And it should be no surprise that they had their own political alliances. Some of the worst enemies of the Jews have been other Jews.