I wonder what Rudy Giuliani knows about the NY Italian Mafia - Five Families? If they are indeed Italians, than the Pope is deeply involved with our politics and the ownership of politicians thereof!
(Reference; the black eye club. Sounds an awful lot like something the thug-Mafia would adapt. That and the red shoe club/pedo-rings!)
You do know that Rudy was a federal prosecutor in NYC right? That's how he rose to political power. And he became prosecutor just after the FBI learned how to use the RICO lawyers and seriously went after the Mafia. They completely changed their approach so they could go after the bosses and not just the street guys and they did a multi-year campaign of wiretapping to build their case. So as Rudy became the US Attorney for SDNY, there was this treasure trove of cases built on each of the five families. Rudy also made a contribution, but a lot of the work had been done starting in the late 1970's
If they are indeed Italians, than the Pope is deeply involved with our politics and the ownership of politicians thereof!
It does not follow. The mafia is definitely Italian Americans. They don't take orders from the pope or priests. If you're looking for Italian Catholic influence in our politics read up on Leonard Leo.
Absolutely, that's why I posted...IMO Trump & the Real Estate industry in NY had to be dealing with the Mafia. Giuliani & Trump working in tandem with FBI/DOJ (prior to their now corruption/two-tiered justice system) to bring down branches of organized rime. Rudy practically wrote the book on RICO laws. He set many a precedence!
Giuliani & Trump working in tandem with FBI/DOJ (prior to their now corruption/two-tiered justice system) to bring down branches of organized crime.
This didn't happen. Trump didn't help to bring down organized crime, I have heard people talk about this, but it didn't happen. The closest thing that happened was Trump was working with a labor racketeer when he wanted a casino license and the NJ Gaming commission said you can't work with this guy. Trump told them the FBI said this guy is clean....Trump had learned or figured out the racketeer was also and FBI informant. The NJ calls the local FBI and they are like we don't know anything about this and the agent who handled this guy had to write a cover your ass statement to explain why people were blabbing about one of their informants which could put his life in danger and that he never vouched for the guy to anyone.
The real story was Trump was trying to play the FBI and NJ casino people off each other. He was business partners with the racketeer, they were in the drywall business and he didn't want to get out of that business and he wanted a casino license. So he tried to get his license and keep working with the racketeer. He told NJ, hey FBI said this guy is good, and told the FBI if you help me get my license you can do undercover work at the casino. This is the part people think actually happened. It never did. the casino didn't even exist that moment and it wouldn't exist for years.
Giuliani didn't work in tandem with DOJ. He was DOJ. He was a US attorney at the Southern District New York. That's one of the most important jobs at DOJ.
Rudy practically wrote the book on RICO laws
He did not. This is a misperception that Rudy has pushed to advance his political career.
RICO was written in 1970. The FBI never used RICO until 1978 in Louisiana, it was also used early against the Hell's Angels in California.
As I said the FBI got serious about the Mob in the late 1970's (After J. Edgar Hoover died.)
The reason the FBI did use the RICO law for years, was they didn't understand it and they had to learn how to use the RICO laws.....and the guy who did literally write the RICO laws told the FBI why aren't you using this, it's a great tool and he came up with the idea of doing a seminar on it.
He was a law professor at Cornell. So the FBI sent their organized crime agents to a week long RICO seminar at Cornell. This was the late 70s. Rudy did not become the US Attorney until 1983. The first NY mob case was in 1979 against the Gambino racketeer who controlled the new docks. The US attorney was Robert Fisk. This law article on was written by the guy who wrote the Rico laws.
Rudy was the beneficiary of a lot of work the FBI and DOJ were doing before he got to SDNY. The FBI had changed how they investigated the Mafia. The funded a long expensive wiretapping operation. SDNY had already begun bringing and winning RICO cases against the mob. The breakthroughs in the mid 80's were years in the making. The first cases Rudy brought, the wiretaps began two years before he came to SDNY.
Rudy does deserve credit, just not all of it. He hired Michael Chertoff and some of the other young assistant US Attorneys who actually prosecuted these cases. It's said he was the one who had the idea to prosecute the mafia Commission itself and that RICO would allow them to get the bosses. It's probably the most famous RICO case there is. But there wa a lot of momentum built up and the ball was rolling when he got there.
I highly recommend the Netflix Documentary on this. Fear City: New York vs The Mafia
I wonder what Rudy Giuliani knows about the NY Italian Mafia - Five Families? If they are indeed Italians, than the Pope is deeply involved with our politics and the ownership of politicians thereof!
(Reference; the black eye club. Sounds an awful lot like something the thug-Mafia would adapt. That and the red shoe club/pedo-rings!)
You do know that Rudy was a federal prosecutor in NYC right? That's how he rose to political power. And he became prosecutor just after the FBI learned how to use the RICO lawyers and seriously went after the Mafia. They completely changed their approach so they could go after the bosses and not just the street guys and they did a multi-year campaign of wiretapping to build their case. So as Rudy became the US Attorney for SDNY, there was this treasure trove of cases built on each of the five families. Rudy also made a contribution, but a lot of the work had been done starting in the late 1970's
It does not follow. The mafia is definitely Italian Americans. They don't take orders from the pope or priests. If you're looking for Italian Catholic influence in our politics read up on Leonard Leo.
Absolutely, that's why I posted...IMO Trump & the Real Estate industry in NY had to be dealing with the Mafia. Giuliani & Trump working in tandem with FBI/DOJ (prior to their now corruption/two-tiered justice system) to bring down branches of organized rime. Rudy practically wrote the book on RICO laws. He set many a precedence!
This didn't happen. Trump didn't help to bring down organized crime, I have heard people talk about this, but it didn't happen. The closest thing that happened was Trump was working with a labor racketeer when he wanted a casino license and the NJ Gaming commission said you can't work with this guy. Trump told them the FBI said this guy is clean....Trump had learned or figured out the racketeer was also and FBI informant. The NJ calls the local FBI and they are like we don't know anything about this and the agent who handled this guy had to write a cover your ass statement to explain why people were blabbing about one of their informants which could put his life in danger and that he never vouched for the guy to anyone.
The real story was Trump was trying to play the FBI and NJ casino people off each other. He was business partners with the racketeer, they were in the drywall business and he didn't want to get out of that business and he wanted a casino license. So he tried to get his license and keep working with the racketeer. He told NJ, hey FBI said this guy is good, and told the FBI if you help me get my license you can do undercover work at the casino. This is the part people think actually happened. It never did. the casino didn't even exist that moment and it wouldn't exist for years.
Giuliani didn't work in tandem with DOJ. He was DOJ. He was a US attorney at the Southern District New York. That's one of the most important jobs at DOJ.
He did not. This is a misperception that Rudy has pushed to advance his political career.
RICO was written in 1970. The FBI never used RICO until 1978 in Louisiana, it was also used early against the Hell's Angels in California.
As I said the FBI got serious about the Mob in the late 1970's (After J. Edgar Hoover died.)
The reason the FBI did use the RICO law for years, was they didn't understand it and they had to learn how to use the RICO laws.....and the guy who did literally write the RICO laws told the FBI why aren't you using this, it's a great tool and he came up with the idea of doing a seminar on it.
He was a law professor at Cornell. So the FBI sent their organized crime agents to a week long RICO seminar at Cornell. This was the late 70s. Rudy did not become the US Attorney until 1983. The first NY mob case was in 1979 against the Gambino racketeer who controlled the new docks. The US attorney was Robert Fisk. This law article on was written by the guy who wrote the Rico laws.
https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1012&context=law_faculty_scholarship&httpsredir=1&referer=
Rudy was the beneficiary of a lot of work the FBI and DOJ were doing before he got to SDNY. The FBI had changed how they investigated the Mafia. The funded a long expensive wiretapping operation. SDNY had already begun bringing and winning RICO cases against the mob. The breakthroughs in the mid 80's were years in the making. The first cases Rudy brought, the wiretaps began two years before he came to SDNY.
Rudy does deserve credit, just not all of it. He hired Michael Chertoff and some of the other young assistant US Attorneys who actually prosecuted these cases. It's said he was the one who had the idea to prosecute the mafia Commission itself and that RICO would allow them to get the bosses. It's probably the most famous RICO case there is. But there wa a lot of momentum built up and the ball was rolling when he got there.
I highly recommend the Netflix Documentary on this. Fear City: New York vs The Mafia