Just talking to husband the other day about how my dad used to crack his belt before a spanking. My kids grew up to a leather horse thing that was shaped like a large spoon. We dubbed it the Spanker. Kinda worried because my sons fiancé is part of the first group and can understand why my daighters kids behave. Son literally told her its because our family expects behavior. They are getting married in August and I'm praying the world is sorted out soon because she has baby fever bad. One thing i know is life is harder without teaching kids discipline.