It is scary that lying comes like breathing to these people. You'd think someone, somewhere would spill the beans like, "we need to get Trump off the ballot so we don't go to jail for harvesting organs", or something.

In this case, i think there is a layer of separation. My guess is someone has connections, and the people on the call are likely trained idiots who are trained in the art of bullshit in order to take home a paycheck.