In this day and age, I have learned to say 'never say never' .or 'I don't believe this or that'. I have heard some disturbing things about one of the two above you just mentioned but waiting to see if more is revealed on what to believe or not. We never know for sure on many people and many companies, what is being purposely sabotaged, or financial support to infiltrate someone where they need them to be. It's frustrating but at least I question almost everything now instead of blindly believing information, misinformation and disinformation.