You realize that you can know about a subject without being in favor of it, right?
I didn't change my tune. Never did I say that Plato was pro-democracy. Simply that he is regarded as one of the brightest minds concerning philosophy and the study of governments and concepts such as democracy.
And we weren't talking about if he was pro democracy or not. We were discussing what the meaning of democracy is.
I brought up Plato because not only is he considered quite brilliant, but it shows how the concept of democracy goes back thousands of years and that it was well established before the Founding Fathers wrote of it.
If you had any sort of knowledge of Plato, you would have known all that, and not just assumed he was pro democracy.
If you had bothered to read The Republic like I suggested or even did a basic internet search of it, you would have known that.
Instead you just commented on it without any clue what you were talking about and demonstrated your ignorance on the subject for everyone to see. Not my fault you did that.
And no, we were NOT discussing whether or not democracy is a good thing. We were discussing what it is.
Let me break it down for you.
Democracy: The most basic and general definition is a system of government ruled by the people.
Republic: The most basic and general definition is a system of government where the people elect representatives to rule in their name.
There, that's it.
So please tell me what it is about electing representatives to rule for us is so crazy awesome that you feel the need to distinguish it from democracy?
Please note these are the same representatives that comprise The Swamp.
You see where I used the phrase "most basic and general definition"? Because that's what that is. It doesn't cover the entire complexity of an entire system of government.
Let me see if I can explain it in a way you might understand.
Soda: The most basic and general definition is a carbonated beverage.
If we were to apply your same argumentation here, then you would argue that soda is plain seltzer water, and that's it. Anyone saying Coca Cola is a soda is wrong. Anyone saying a 7up is a soda is wrong. Because if we're going strictly by the definition of soda above, then the only thing that complies is plain seltzer water.
You CAN NOT have a democracy run by the people, but have representatives to rule in their name at the same time.
And that would be like saying you can't have plain seltzer water and flavored carbonated water at the same time and then insist that proves Coca Cola isn't a soda.
Do you really not get this? Seriously. This is not that complicated of a subject.
If we continued with the soda comparison, it would be like the only soda you knew existed was seltzer water, and insisted things like root beer and grape soda weren't sodas...
And we were not talking about if the US was a "democratic republic". Where do you people keep coming up with me saying this? I've clarified like 5 times now, several to you, that I never claimed this. Yet you still keep going back to it.
You realize that you can know about a subject without being in favor of it, right?
I didn't change my tune. Never did I say that Plato was pro-democracy. Simply that he is regarded as one of the brightest minds concerning philosophy and the study of governments and concepts such as democracy.
And we weren't talking about if he was pro democracy or not. We were discussing what the meaning of democracy is.
I brought up Plato because not only is he considered quite brilliant, but it shows how the concept of democracy goes back thousands of years and that it was well established before the Founding Fathers wrote of it.
If you had any sort of knowledge of Plato, you would have known all that, and not just assumed he was pro democracy.
If you had bothered to read The Republic like I suggested or even did a basic internet search of it, you would have known that.
Instead you just commented on it without any clue what you were talking about and demonstrated your ignorance on the subject for everyone to see. Not my fault you did that.
And no, we were NOT discussing whether or not democracy is a good thing. We were discussing what it is.
Let me break it down for you.
Democracy: The most basic and general definition is a system of government ruled by the people.
Republic: The most basic and general definition is a system of government where the people elect representatives to rule in their name.
There, that's it.
So please tell me what it is about electing representatives to rule for us is so crazy awesome that you feel the need to distinguish it from democracy?
Please note these are the same representatives that comprise The Swamp.
You see where I used the phrase "most basic and general definition"? Because that's what that is. It doesn't cover the entire complexity of an entire system of government.
Let me see if I can explain it in a way you might understand.
Soda: The most basic and general definition is a carbonated beverage.
If we were to apply your same argumentation here, then you would argue that soda is plain seltzer water, and that's it. Anyone saying Coca Cola is a soda is wrong. Anyone saying a 7up is a soda is wrong. Because if we're going strictly by the definition of soda above, then the only thing that complies is plain seltzer water.
And that would be like saying you can't have plain seltzer water and flavored carbonated water at the same time and then insist that proves Coca Cola isn't a soda.
Do you really not get this? Seriously. This is not that complicated of a subject.
If we continued with the soda comparison, it would be like the only soda you knew existed was seltzer water, and insisted things like root beer and grape soda weren't sodas...
And we were not talking about if the US was a "democratic republic". Where do you people keep coming up with me saying this? I've clarified like 5 times now, several to you, that I never claimed this. Yet you still keep going back to it.