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I don't think most people are aware of the extreme carb load in foods like bread and pasta. Has there ever been an obese hunter-gatherer?
Bagels are the worst.
Bagels are awful. They're unhealthy for you as well.
Actually look at the numbers and it's not as insanely loaded as a soda or piece of cake, especially when you take fiber into account. They also make a lot of reduced carb breads and bagels and such now.
Also hunter gathers had to walk everywhere and carry everything themselves so it's an inaccurate comparison, their TDEE was insane compared to modern people.
30 grams of carbs from bread in a sandwich is quite a lot to eat on a daily basis I think. Several times a day it verges on pancreas abuse.