We are obviously being tested but what does coming out the other side look like for you?
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Jesus explicitly spoke about election in several of His teachings, affirming God's sovereign choice in salvation. Here are key passages where Jesus discusses this doctrine:
In these verses, Jesus emphasizes that coming to Him is contingent upon the Father's initiative. The "giving" and "drawing" by the Father indicate a divine selection process, underscoring the concept of election.
Here, Jesus directly states that His followers are chosen by Him, not the other way around. This selection is purposeful, aimed at bearing lasting fruit, highlighting the intentionality behind divine election.
In the Parable of the Wedding Feast, Jesus illustrates that while the invitation (calling) is extended broadly, only a select group (the chosen) respond appropriately, aligning with the idea of election.
In discussing end-times events, Jesus refers to "the elect" as those whom God has chosen, indicating their special status and the divine care afforded to them during tribulation.
Jesus assures that God will respond justly to His chosen ones, reinforcing the special relationship between God and the elect.
In this prayer, Jesus repeatedly mentions those whom the Father has given Him, indicating a specific group chosen by God to receive eternal life, further emphasizing the doctrine of election.
In summary: Jesus' teachings consistently affirm the concept of divine election:
Initiative of the Father: Salvation begins with God's choice and drawing of individuals to Christ.
Selective Calling: While many hear the gospel (the call), only the elect respond with saving faith.
Divine Protection and Justice: The elect are recipients of God's special care and justice.
Purposeful Selection: The elect are chosen to bear fruit and fulfill God's purposes.
This doesn't even begin to touch what all else regarding election came from the Prophets Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Amos, Hosea, Malachi, Micah, Zechariah.. Or even Paul, going back to the New Testament.
I can appreciate you disagreeing with me and providing a different perspective. It would hold more weight with Scripture that backs up the opinion.
Two questions: 1. Is divine election predetermined? (The quotes here don't seem to point to that being the case)
My ability to quote scripture is poor but heres an attempt
2 Peter 3:9 Galations 5:13 Mark 8:34 Revelations 3:5 and 3:20 Issaiah 55:7
Now it is late but i look forward to continuing this tomorrow Despite any difference in view good night my brother in Christ
I stopped caring to continue on with the conversation right there.
You've provided nothing to refute what I posted other than telling me it doesn't seem to be. So, thanks for your input. I'm good from here. Stay blessed! Bye now.
God's election doesn't mean predetermination.
He can know what will be without determining it.