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The Bible is the final Word. You seem to take the book as a allegory where I take it as literal. Jesus took it literal when He quoted from it so I will go with His interpretation. Have a nice day!
The church dragged off into carnality has a common carnal doctrine on the interpretation of Revelation. All of the indoctrinated use the futurist carnal interpretation of Revelation to rule PSYOP the mind of carnal Christians.
Revelation 14:1 is prophecy of "things which must shortly come to pass" see Revelation 1:1.
The book of Revelation is the revealing of Jesus Christ and His kingdom to the individual soul, and the spiritual church in Christ.
Jesus Christ and his kingdom is revealed in the Spirit to each individual soul that overcomes Babylon. The concept of coming out of Babylon is supported in Paul's writings about the spiritual body of Christ.
Babylon in the book of Revelation and "this world" in the book of Ephesians are the same thing. The spiritual reality of the Kingdom of Christ and the kingdom in Adam is the transition that the soul in Christ experiences.
The book of Revelation is written in symbols that reveal spiritual things.
Spiritual sign language is understood by the spiritual minded. "BEHOLD" is used 28 times in the book. Behold, means to understand the symbol being communicated. Here is every usage of "behold' in the book:
https://communities.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist/p/17rSxKCgV6/behold-each-verse-/c
The symbol of the 144,000, the symbol of the tribes, the symbol of Israel, are not conveying physical reality. The symbols are conveying spiritual reality to the spiritual church in Christ.
Israel is not first understood as a physical nation. Israel is first understood as a transformation from the carnal to the spiritual. Jacob(carnal) is renamed Israel(spiritual). God's Israel is not a physical nation. God's Israel is those that follow Him. So the 144,000 is indeed the church in Christ, the Israel of God.
The Israel of God is the church in Christ. see Ephesians 1:3
The fifth chapter does not end the "things which must shortly come to pass" see Revelation 1:1. The sixth chapter, the opening of the seals comes to pass in every soul that receives the life and reign of Jesus Christ by faith. There is no physical Rapture of the church in the book of Revelation. You have believed a carnal interpretation of a spiritual book, so you can not benefit from the spuritual interpretation of the book. The purpose of the carnal PSYOP is to keep you in bondage to the flesh. The PSYOP only has carnal things in mind. The carnal PSYOP is the strength of the physical zionist, that draggs the church off into carnality.
"The fifth chapter does not end the "things which must shortly come to pass"
Did NOT say that. I do not know where you get your doctrine but it does not come from the Bible. The Bible was written to be understood for what it said-- I figure your religion is either Mormon or JW---either way both of those are false doctrine.
"There is no physical Rapture of the church in the book of Revelation" Rev 4:1, God tells John "Come up Hither" and what does he see? John sees 24 Elders surrounding the throne of God that were "redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb----THAT is the church---Rev5: 9-10---they are Kings and Priests---only one group of people in the Bible are Kings and Priests. After Rev. 5, the seals are opened and God once again works with the nation Israel.
You keep throwing around the word "carnal" like you have some great insight. You are deceived and you own pride will not let you see it.
I am not going to "debate" scripture since scripture is pretty plain to me what it says so go your way and believe all that trash you want because it is not from the Bible.
All of my doctrine is from what the Holy Spirit has taught me through scripture. I've been a Bible reading Christian since the 1980s. I know your doctrine and I know the doctrine that the Holy Spirit teaches.
I was raised Fundamentalist Baptist. I experienced dispensationalism taking over the church. Been their, done that. You don't have to belittle in order to win a doctrine debate. Paul encourages doctrine debate. We both learn as we explore what the Holy Spirit teaches.
Doctrine comes from the Bible, 2Ti_3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
I am not trying to debate doctrine. 2Jn_1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
All of my doctrine is in the Bible, friend. It is time consuming to address your points. I will, if you like. You seem to not be able to listen. So doctrine has shut your ears to hear.
Here's some more Bible stuff on topic:
The Israel of God has always been a spuritual people that followed God in the Spirit.
The context of that isolated scripture teaches that Israel is a spiritual people. The kinsmen of Paul after the flesh are not all Israel.
Gentiles means the nations. All nations that walk in Christ are spiritual Israel. Nations are peoples. Each individual in Christ is the Israel of God in the Spirit. The church in Christ is the Israel of God in the Spirit.
I literally follow Jesus Christ in the Spirit. The Bible is a tool that communicates the spiritual reality of the Kingdom of heaven in Christ.
I like you friend, but my time is as valuable as yours. We are studying the same thing, and doctrine should not separate us. The sectarian church is ruled by its doctrines. The doctrines control the sectarian church.
"The sons of God follow the Spirit of God"
The context is not following doctrine. The context is following the Holy Spirit.
I've already started the debate thread for us:
https://communities.win/c/RevelationOfJesusChrist/p/19BZWvyc6v/the-church-dragged-off-into-carn/c
Rom_16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
Doctrine is very important.
The division on doctrine was started long ago. I like you friend. Don't fear talking over where the doctrines come from. I am a servant of Jesus Christ to edify the church in Christ. Doctrine is important. Heresy is a choosing of a particular doctrine, also known as sectarianism. Your sect dictates doctrine to you.
I follow Jesus Christ by the Holy Spirit. My doctrine is what the Holy Spirit has taught me.