The 2a is about citizens having the same weapons as the government.
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Are you serious? No, really. Are you really serious here?
The 2nd Amendment has never meant citizens have the same weapons as the government.
Civilians can’t own weaponized tanks, weaponized drones, missiles, weaponized submarines, nuclear arms, satellites, etc...and even at the small arms level the government has explosives, air support, armored vehicles, and electronic warfare while citizens have ...personal firearms.
Surveillance is even worse. Citizens have phones that track them. NOT tracking government entities no subpoena power, no warrants, no classified datasets, and no enforcement arm, while the state has mass biometric databases, real time geolocation, financial and travel records, AI trained on proprietary and classified data, legal compulsion, and armed agents (much better armed than citizens) to act on the output. Pretending “we can use it on them” is pure fantasy.
Saying “you’re fighting the last war” doesn’t fix that; it just hand-waves away the fact that every time people cheer federal overreach, mass surveillance, or constitutional shortcuts because it helps this one cause, they’re doing the exact thing they swear they oppose — betting that power will stay benevolent after the precedent is set, which is how power has NEVER WORKED. Not once, in any system, ever.
But let's test how much you actually believe what you're trying to sell here.
Let's pretend that everything in the video above was exactly the same....except ....substitute "Illegals" for "Christians" and "FBI" for "ICE", and set it a year ago, when Biden was in the White House.
Would you have so readily been all for it? Defended it so thoroughly?
Be honest. Actually answer this one question, if you do ANYTHING.
Yes or No? Would you still have the same opinion of it as you've detailed above?
I'm very serious. Are you thinking you score debate points by behaving like a child?
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
Just because we don't have parity and haven't for a long time doesn't mean we should abandon the true 2a goal, any more than we should in the technology realm either. Cowering and scolding isn't an effective strategy. Are you sure you really belong here? We're here to fight and win against our oppressors.
Quoting the Founders doesn’t erase reality. Citizens with rifles are not “independent” from a government that has satellites, mass surveillance, AI targeting, financial tracking, warrants-on-demand, and legal force behind it. That gap isn’t philosophical, it’s absolute. The gap isn’t “less parity than we’d like,” it’s orders of magnitude difference.
What you’re defending isn’t citizen power, it’s state power you happen to like right now. Saying “we’ll take control later” is wishful thinking. Once these tools exist and are normalized, they don’t get handed back.
The 2A was about preventing runaway power, not cheering it on and hoping it behaves this time.
Also, why have you ignored this?:
But let's test how much you actually believe what you're trying to sell here.
Let's pretend that everything in the video above was exactly the same....except ....substitute "Illegals" for "Christians" and "FBI" for "ICE", and set it a year ago, when Biden was in the White House. Would you have so readily been all for it? Defended it so thoroughly? Be honest. Actually answer this one question, if you do ANYTHING.
Yes or No? Would you still have the same opinion of it as you've detailed above?
We're not taking control later, we're taking control right now. We're part of an army. This site, this movement. You may as well quote Biden and be done with it - no I don't have an f15. I should just surrender? Please stop proving you're irrevocably stuck in the defeatist RINO mindset, it's embarrassing.
Let’s be precise here, what systems do we actually control right now, or even what you feel like we're on the bring of gaining...databases, warrants, infrastructure, enforcement, funding, whatever... that do not automatically transfer to the next administration, whether that’s a RINO, a Democrat, or someone hostile to this movement?
Because if the answer is “we influence culture” or “we’re present in the system,” that’s not the same thing as custody or authority. Those levers still sit with the state, and they flip the moment power changes hands.
And, once again, you've ignored this for THREE TIMES NOW. Why?
But let's test how much you actually believe what you're trying to sell here. Let's pretend that everything in the video above was exactly the same....except ....substitute "Illegals" for "Christians" and "FBI" for "ICE", and set it a year ago, when Biden was in the White House. Would you have so readily been all for it? Defended it so thoroughly? Be honest. Actually answer this one question, if you do ANYTHING. Yes or No? Would you still have the same opinion of it as you've detailed above?
😂😂😂😂😂
Are you serious? No, really. Are you really serious here?
The 2nd Amendment has never meant citizens have the same weapons as the government.
Civilians can’t own weaponized tanks, weaponized drones, missiles, weaponized submarines, nuclear arms, satellites, etc...and even at the small arms level the government has explosives, air support, armored vehicles, and electronic warfare while citizens have ...personal firearms.
Surveillance is even worse. Citizens have phones that track them. NOT tracking government entities no subpoena power, no warrants, no classified datasets, and no enforcement arm, while the state has mass biometric databases, real time geolocation, financial and travel records, AI trained on proprietary and classified data, legal compulsion, and armed agents (much better armed than citizens) to act on the output. Pretending “we can use it on them” is pure fantasy.
Saying “you’re fighting the last war” doesn’t fix that; it just hand-waves away the fact that every time people cheer federal overreach, mass surveillance, or constitutional shortcuts because it helps this one cause, they’re doing the exact thing they swear they oppose — betting that power will stay benevolent after the precedent is set, which is how power has NEVER WORKED. Not once, in any system, ever.
But let's test how much you actually believe what you're trying to sell here.
Let's pretend that everything in the video above was exactly the same....except ....substitute "Illegals" for "Christians" and "FBI" for "ICE", and set it a year ago, when Biden was in the White House.
Would you have so readily been all for it? Defended it so thoroughly?
Be honest. Actually answer this one question, if you do ANYTHING.
Yes or No? Would you still have the same opinion of it as you've detailed above?
I'm very serious. Are you thinking you score debate points by behaving like a child?
“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”
Just because we don't have parity and haven't for a long time doesn't mean we should abandon the true 2a goal, any more than we should in the technology realm either. Cowering and scolding isn't an effective strategy. Are you sure you really belong here? We're here to fight and win against our oppressors.
Quoting the Founders doesn’t erase reality. Citizens with rifles are not “independent” from a government that has satellites, mass surveillance, AI targeting, financial tracking, warrants-on-demand, and legal force behind it. That gap isn’t philosophical, it’s absolute. The gap isn’t “less parity than we’d like,” it’s orders of magnitude difference.
What you’re defending isn’t citizen power, it’s state power you happen to like right now. Saying “we’ll take control later” is wishful thinking. Once these tools exist and are normalized, they don’t get handed back.
The 2A was about preventing runaway power, not cheering it on and hoping it behaves this time.
Also, why have you ignored this?:
We're not taking control later, we're taking control right now. We're part of an army. This site, this movement. You may as well quote Biden and be done with it - no I don't have an f15. I should just surrender? Please stop proving you're irrevocably stuck in the defeatist RINO mindset, it's embarrassing.
Let’s be precise here, what systems do we actually control right now, or even what you feel like we're on the bring of gaining...databases, warrants, infrastructure, enforcement, funding, whatever... that do not automatically transfer to the next administration, whether that’s a RINO, a Democrat, or someone hostile to this movement?
Because if the answer is “we influence culture” or “we’re present in the system,” that’s not the same thing as custody or authority. Those levers still sit with the state, and they flip the moment power changes hands.
And, once again, you've ignored this for THREE TIMES NOW. Why?