I wonder if there’s anywhere else where people hate their own country and their own customs as much as people in Finland do? I guess they would be fine if an Islamic hymn were sung at school graduation ceremonies.
Come on, this still is more of a very vocal minority suppressing a silent majority, there was also an article, I think that was even in one of those "evening" crap newspapers, where it is mentioned that at least in the case of those old Christian songs and customs about 80 % of Finns want them to stay as part of our culture.
The main problem with Finns doesn't really seem to be that we hate our own country, it is that our culture has taught us to bend to what we are told by the people who rule us. Weak spines in that way. And to trust the people who rule us as well as the legacy medias, so naive in many ways. I doubt our voting system, for example, has been in any way clean or reliable for at least many decades. And when some opposing group seems to gain ground, like "Finns Party", well, that political party looked promising for a while, but now, in practice, when they finally got some power... well, just controlled opposition, looks like.
So that silent majority is not doing anything, just grumble to each other sometimes and sulk. Even if they fundamentally may disagree with what is going on.
Yep, I think that is at least a very strong possibility (although I suppose he might also be an actual Finn who has gotten so badly disappointed by Finns and Finland and the way we have been bending to these "liberal" ideas that he hates Finland because of that) but since there seem to be people here who do take him seriously I figured it would be good to comment to him with a bit more factual information at least sometimes.
And I do feel sympathy towards those of my people who have lost faith in us as a nation because I am disappointed with us. Especially the way most people I know better really do still seem to think that our legacy media would still be at least sort of reliable source of news and information. I try, and keep on trying, to get them to at least do such basic background checking as is easy these days, like with some Trump bashing, when something he said is taken out of context but it is possible to find something like a video of the whole speech or interview online, but I know that most times they will not bother.
I suppose that a lot of time it is simply kind of basic human nature thing - it's easier, keeps them feeling safer, if they don't look, and can keep on pretending that the world is safe, than possibly finding out that it's not. So they prefer to be ignorant maybe precisely because they suspect I might actually be right, and this world around them is NOT as safe and secure as it looks. It's a very human thing to do.
if you're talking of user chukna there is no way he is finnish. At best he could be eastern european living in Finland. Pretty much no one here would side with russia and also he spreads some misinfo and Putin's propaganda about my country.
As said, I think the most likely alternative is that he is not a Finn, even the name he uses hints most strongly towards that (pretty close to Chuckna which seems to be, or at least has been used as "Russian ethnic slur towards Finns and Estonians").
But people can be weird. Edgelords, trolls, Ano Turtiainen... whatever.
Does this guy (Lauri Ojala on the right. The guy on the left is Wille Rydman) look like a third-world welfare bum? He is the guy who sued the city of Espoo because he had to hear suvivirsi in the school graduation celebration.
are you an idiot? he is avg leftist scumbag whom you should not take seriously. Besides the skin color doesn't dictate whether you work hard or not. One person having a problem with christian hymn doesn't mean all finns have. Your claims are too black and white.
I wonder if there’s anywhere else where people hate their own country and their own customs as much as people in Finland do? I guess they would be fine if an Islamic hymn were sung at school graduation ceremonies.
Come on, this still is more of a very vocal minority suppressing a silent majority, there was also an article, I think that was even in one of those "evening" crap newspapers, where it is mentioned that at least in the case of those old Christian songs and customs about 80 % of Finns want them to stay as part of our culture.
The main problem with Finns doesn't really seem to be that we hate our own country, it is that our culture has taught us to bend to what we are told by the people who rule us. Weak spines in that way. And to trust the people who rule us as well as the legacy medias, so naive in many ways. I doubt our voting system, for example, has been in any way clean or reliable for at least many decades. And when some opposing group seems to gain ground, like "Finns Party", well, that political party looked promising for a while, but now, in practice, when they finally got some power... well, just controlled opposition, looks like.
So that silent majority is not doing anything, just grumble to each other sometimes and sulk. Even if they fundamentally may disagree with what is going on.
This guy is not Finnish. He hates Finland, even claiming that Russia should genocide all Finns.
Claiming that a minority of parasitic third world welfare bums represent the views of the vast majority of patriotic Finns is laughable propaganda.
Don’t feed the trolls.
Thanks for keeping things honest and real Fren..
Yep, I think that is at least a very strong possibility (although I suppose he might also be an actual Finn who has gotten so badly disappointed by Finns and Finland and the way we have been bending to these "liberal" ideas that he hates Finland because of that) but since there seem to be people here who do take him seriously I figured it would be good to comment to him with a bit more factual information at least sometimes.
And I do feel sympathy towards those of my people who have lost faith in us as a nation because I am disappointed with us. Especially the way most people I know better really do still seem to think that our legacy media would still be at least sort of reliable source of news and information. I try, and keep on trying, to get them to at least do such basic background checking as is easy these days, like with some Trump bashing, when something he said is taken out of context but it is possible to find something like a video of the whole speech or interview online, but I know that most times they will not bother.
I suppose that a lot of time it is simply kind of basic human nature thing - it's easier, keeps them feeling safer, if they don't look, and can keep on pretending that the world is safe, than possibly finding out that it's not. So they prefer to be ignorant maybe precisely because they suspect I might actually be right, and this world around them is NOT as safe and secure as it looks. It's a very human thing to do.
if you're talking of user chukna there is no way he is finnish. At best he could be eastern european living in Finland. Pretty much no one here would side with russia and also he spreads some misinfo and Putin's propaganda about my country.
As said, I think the most likely alternative is that he is not a Finn, even the name he uses hints most strongly towards that (pretty close to Chuckna which seems to be, or at least has been used as "Russian ethnic slur towards Finns and Estonians").
But people can be weird. Edgelords, trolls, Ano Turtiainen... whatever.
tsushna, i know that
even the skinheads who side with Putin would not hate Finland as much as the OP does
Does this guy (Lauri Ojala on the right. The guy on the left is Wille Rydman) look like a third-world welfare bum? He is the guy who sued the city of Espoo because he had to hear suvivirsi in the school graduation celebration.
https://www.is.fi/kotimaa/art-2000012039458.html
are you an idiot? he is avg leftist scumbag whom you should not take seriously. Besides the skin color doesn't dictate whether you work hard or not. One person having a problem with christian hymn doesn't mean all finns have. Your claims are too black and white.