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I like a lot of what Trump is doing (though I don't particularly care for any efforts that continue to send money overseas). I like a lot of what Massie says and that he seems very "America First"-oriented. Even JD Vance in much of his public rhetoric/talking points seems to sympathize with American fatigue with foreign aid.

So... what the heck is the deal with Trump vs. Massie? I've even heard that Pete Heg. is opting to help campaign against Massie (which is illegal, I think)?

Is Massie secretly Hitler or something? Please help me understand this.

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I understand that many of us on this site have already developed very strong opinions regarding Covid and its adjacent topics. Some of us never needed much convincing, even if the foundation of our conclusion had all the hallmarks of confirmation bias.

This post isn't to persuade you one way or the other regarding Covid or Hanta. It simply aims to offer an opportunity to broaden your horizons and learn what others might be seeing on these matters—particularly when AI is often the first tool used in the pursuit of truth.

What follows is information compiled from a detailed, multi-turn conversation with Grok (xAI). I actively tried to steer it away from simply confirming any biases my questions might suggest. The goal was intellectual honesty: acknowledging real problems, data gaps, policy failures, rare harms, and legitimate skepticism without jumping to unproven grand narratives.


COVID-19: Excess Deaths, Data Issues, and Vaccines

  • Excess deaths: The US experienced roughly 1.2–1.3 million excess deaths from 2020–2023 (with estimates varying by methodology). Official COVID death counts had documented problems, including financial incentives under the CARES Act (20% Medicare add-on for COVID hospitalizations), heavy focus on COVID testing, and early loose guidelines on listing COVID on death certificates. The "skydiver dies of COVID" critique captured real over-attribution in some marginal cases. However, all-cause excess mortality confirms a substantial overall toll.
    CDC Excess Deaths | Our World in Data summary

  • Vaccines and mortality: Large-scale international cohort studies (tens of millions tracked) through 2025–2026 generally show vaccinated groups had lower all-cause mortality than unvaccinated, especially during peak waves. A major 2025 French national cohort (~28 million adults 18–59) found mRNA-vaccinated individuals had 25% lower all-cause mortality over ~4 years and 74% lower severe COVID death risk.
    JAMA Network Open French study

    A key 2023 JAMA Internal Medicine study linked voter records to deaths in Florida and Ohio. Republicans had 15% higher excess death rates overall. The gap widened dramatically after vaccines became widely available (May 2021 onward): 43% higher excess death rate for Republicans, concentrated in lower-vaccination counties. Pre-vaccine period showed little or reversed gap.
    Full JAMA study

  • Legitimate concerns and policy failures:

    • Flu/other respiratory diagnoses dropped sharply in 2020–2021 due to NPIs (masks/distancing) and testing prioritized for COVID.
    • Broad lockdowns, school closures, and mandates caused collateral harm (mental health, learning loss, economies) with mixed evidence for long-term benefit in many settings.
    • Lab-leak hypothesis was dismissed early despite plausible biosafety concerns.
    • Pharma liability shields (PREP Act) reduced accountability and fueled distrust.
    • For low-risk/young/healthy people (especially with prior infection), absolute benefit of repeated boosters became marginal later in the pandemic.
  • IgG4 class switching: Repeated mRNA doses can lead to increased IgG4 antibodies in some people (a less inflammatory subclass). Studies document this shift months after second/third doses, potentially reducing certain effector functions. This is real and worth monitoring, but large cohorts have not shown broad "VAIDS"-like immunodeficiency or net higher all-cause mortality.
    Science Immunology 2023 on IgG4

Net on COVID: Vaccines likely provided net protection against severe outcomes for high-risk/elderly groups in 2020–early 2022. The response was heavily politicized, data imperfect, overreach real, and skepticism on mandates/long-term effects/subgroup risks justified. It wasn't simply "all safe and effective" nor "the cure killed far more than the disease" at population level.

Current Hantavirus (Andes Virus) Cluster – May 2026

As of May 8–11, 2026, a contained cluster exists on the Dutch cruise ship MV Hondius (~147 passengers/crew):

  • 8 total cases (6 confirmed Andes virus, 2 probable/suspected).
  • 3 deaths (CFR ~38% in this small cluster).
    WHO DON update May 2026

Key facts and differences from COVID:

  • Andes virus is rodent-borne but one of the few hantaviruses with documented (limited) person-to-person transmission — requires close/prolonged contact, body fluids, not efficient casual aerosol spread like COVID.
    CDC Andes virus page
  • WHO/CDC/ECDC assess global and public risk as low. Containment via contact tracing, quarantine, and monitoring of passengers (disembarking in Tenerife). No evidence of widespread community transmission.
    WHO risk assessment
  • High per-case fatality (30–40% for hantavirus pulmonary syndrome) but very low transmissibility compared to respiratory viruses.

This does not currently resemble "the next COVID" in scale or spread potential. Watch for media hype vs. actual data, any push for broad measures, and transparency.

Lessons for Future "Scares" (Including Hantavirus)

COVID revealed repeatable patterns:

  • Rapid government/media responses can blend real threats with overreaction and coercion.
  • Financial/political incentives can distort testing, reporting, and policy.
  • Election timing amplifies divisions—scrutinize claims rigorously.
  • All-cause mortality + independent verification beats relying solely on official cause-of-death stats.
  • Targeted protection for the vulnerable is usually superior to blanket mandates.
  • Healthy skepticism of official narratives is wise; automatic dismissal of every threat is not.

For Hantavirus: Prioritize rodent control, hygiene, and calm assessment. Demand evidence if any restrictive measures are proposed. Resistance to overreach will likely be stronger this time.

TL;DR:
COVID had real excess deaths (~1.2M+ US) with flawed data/reporting and policy overreach. Vaccines helped high-risk groups net (lower all-cause mortality in large studies) but came with rare harms, IgG4 shifts, mandates, and eroded trust. Current Hantavirus is a serious but contained ship cluster (Andes strain, low community risk). Learn from the past: Demand evidence, reject coercion, prioritize truth over tribe. What Kool-Aid are you drinking? Let's discuss with sources.


Yes, I know. "Data and analysis can't be trusted if it disagrees with my gut feeling." I get it. I like my Kool-aid a certain flavor too, even if I have a habit of mixing in a bunch of stuff that isn't healthy for me just because it tastes good. Big Pharma is corrupt? Tastes good in my Kool-aid. Government is corrupt? That's pretty tasty too. The data is lying? One of my favorites.

If nothing else, understanding "their perspective" helps me better appreciate the otherwise "lukewarm" stance Trump seems to have had on covid vaccines over the years, angering many of us for not taking a firmer stance in the direction we wanted him to. Maybe he understands "what the other side is thinking/seeing" better than we give him credit for.

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Q Drops - "Savior"

There are only 3 Q-drops that genuinely reference the term "savior" in a positive light, and they all appear around the date/time of year that elections typically take place. Namely:

  1. Drop #111 - Nov 5 2017: POTUS is our savior
  2. Drop #114 - Nov 5 2017: US Military = savior of mankind.
  3. Drop #2442 - Nov 6 2018: You are the saviors of mankind.

What is a "Savior"?

Q and Q+ (POTUS, Trump) mention Jesus Christ numerous times and are well aware of his status as the actual Savior of mankind. When you look at the actual definition of the word "savior" (including contexts outside of Christianity), you get:

A person who rescues another from harm, danger, or loss.

We elect the POTUS, the POTUS commands the US Military, and the US military (at present) effectively "rescues [mankind] from harm, danger, or loss".

The function of "mankind's savior" is something the CIA and other "top secret" organizations have been trying to hijack for decades, validating their existence behind classified documents and closed doors. The only way to reveal how unnecessary they are is to force them to "reveal their hand".


Declassifications since Trump's First Term:

  • Crossfire Hurricane Investigation (related to "Russia-Gate")
  • Epstein Files Transparency Act (some portions still redacted)
  • JFK, RFK, and MLK Assassination Records (still pending details on RFK, I think)
  • UAP/UFO Records (began in earnest May 8th 2026)

Numerous Q-drops talk about the importance of transparency.

  • Possibility #1: The declassified information shows that the CIA and similar organizations weren't actually hiding anything of importance, further proving that those organization don't need to exist. Anything related to "rescuing mankind from harm, danger, or loss" can be handled properly by the military instead.
  • Possibility #2: The declassified information proves that the CIA and similar organizations were doing some horrendously shady stuff and need to be dismantled immediately along with people being held accountable for their crimes and/or treason. Military tribunals. Execution. Any functions they were pretending to fulfill falls back into the purview of the military.

TRANSPARENCY = CHECKMATE

Drops #1745, 2110, 2261, 3689, 3740, 4280: FISA = START

(Crossfire Hurricane was the first declassification, dealing with FISA abuse)

As fun extra credit, "START" is the acronym for two different "STrategic Arms Reduction Treaties" Between the US and USSR/Russia to reduce each others' nuclear arsenals. The first treaty lasted from 1991 until 2009, the second treaty began in 2010 and just ended on Feb 5th of this year (2026) (unless it was extended). Funny that "START" should relate to a US-Russia matter and that the FISA issues with Crossfire Hurricane would also relate to US-Russia relations.

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This list is by no means comprehensive. It simply reflects a list of individuals that piqued my interest at some point for some reason. I recently completed some "follow-up research" on several individuals to see whether or not my understanding of where they're "at now" is accurate or not. I used Grok to help with my research.

These are presented in no particular order or importance or appearance.


  • SerialBrain2 - Probably the original "weaponized autist" of the entire Q movement, who (as far as I'm aware) introduced many of the pattern recognition concepts that later became stables in Q-decoding circles (like GAW). Posted to their user account on Reddit, which has since been purged (during the Biden era, I think) and never recovered. Many retain echoes of their work on Rumble, Youtube, and other places though.
  • Derek Johnson - @rattletrap1776 on X. His commentary on "wartime president" stuff is particularly intriguing. In short, he sites real executive orders and laws but then jumps to an interpretation of what a summation of those things mean when weighed against circumstances throughout the passage of time up through our present day. Still active on X, though notably less patient to "outsiders" who haven't bothered to research his exhaustive earlier works explaining his thoughts on things in detail (many of which are, unfortunately, hidden behind books you have to pay for that he published). He does have significant revenue streams outside of his political commentary though.
  • Ivan Raiklin - @IvanRaiklin on X. He's probably not worth mentioning in the larger scheme of things, but his history of being a Green Beret and his confidence against deep state threats (even in the midst of the greatest amounts of suppression during the Biden era) earned him my notice. His biggest claim of note is having a "list" of individuals that (in his mind) need to be investigated for crimes against the United States. He "has the receipts" (as he claims), but the "receipts" in question are often just the list of names itself. I also find it somewhat suspicious that he seemed to avoid any major ban-hammers during times when you'd get kicked off of Twitter for simply sneezing unfavorably at a left-wing talking point.
  • Ian Carroll - @IanCarrollShow on X. A more recent public figure. His journey basically stems from wanting to figure out GameStop and Wall Street, discovers patterns of provable corruption, then eventually links (or short-circuits) those findings into Jewish/Israeli State influence. There are probably lots of other "non-Jewish" deep state actors worth investigating, but it's difficult to get past the first major "apparent villain" to see as to whether or not a much larger picture in in play. At the very least, Ian's work on GameStop and Wall Street is well grounded and documented in real data, so the conclusions that led to his later investigations and curiosities have some real "meat" to them.
  • JuliansRum - @ItsJuliansRum on X. Often had very thoughtful, level-headed observations on Q, Trump, and "The Plan" (particularly during the first Trump presidency and working onward through the Biden "presidency"). Julian (not his real name, he's still anonymous) has since grown impatient with the "apparent" subservience of Trump to the whims of the Israeli State, the current economic circumstance, and so forth. A part of me feels like he's still optimistic that things can or could get better, but he's adopted a more "realistic" approach since a short time after the beginning of Trump's second term, looking for more immediately relief economically and in reference to government ridding itself of (what now seems as obvious) corruption. That lack of publicly-known prosecutions have been understandably frustrating.
  • Clandestine - @WarClandestine on X. Jacob Creech. Found significant notoriety due to his observations on Ukraine corruption, much of which Russia used in its "propaganda" against Ukraine. The most notable piece I recall was a side-by-side comparison map of "US Biolab sites in Ukraine" next to "Russian Missile targets in Ukraine", which mapped up almost perfectly. Jacob/Clandestine has commented on various other topics as well, but Ukraine, foreign policy, and foreign aid remain his staple and most prominent viewpoints across social media. His most recent takes on X seem to have adopted a tired intolerance of "dissenting viewpoints and opinions" against Trump and "The Plan", going so far as to over-simplistically and collectively label many as "traitors" so long as they participate in any measure of effort to undermine trust in Trump and the Plan (seemingly, at least).

There are many, many others perhaps worthy of comment to varying degrees, many of which were mentioned in Q drops specifically (such as Shawn Hannity). People that I once spent a considerable amount of time listening to now barely show up on my radar when trying to "monitor the situation" from a "Q-informed perspective". The ones that seem to fall off the hardest when it comes to whether or not I value their time with my attention are the ones that are earning some kind of income off their political exposure and commentary (of which Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and others qualify to some degree). Some ideas are still worth noticing though, even from "paid influencers", because they can at least introduce a question or topic worthy of further investigation. Heck, Joe Rogan's entire podcast is built around him finding interesting people to talk to and asking questions, so he's "earning money from it" but hopefully in a way that promotes useful inquiry rather than mindless cultism loyalty.


I think it's fine to recognize that all of our opinions and understandings on things are continuously evolving, and there's no need to be "loyal" to anything except the Truth itself (which, for many, is simply "Christ"). Cheers.

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This site is for us to share our research with others. "Always verify" makes sense as a precaution, but "Do your own research" just sounds lazy and really isn't helpful.

Not everyone can "monitor the situation" to the degree of rigor that thorough research requires. Many are still waging a daily war of just trying to survive among crippling debt and overwhelming inflation. Some use GAW simply to help filter out the excess noise on X (since most posts here are just reposts of stuff from X anyway).

Please be mindful that many are not as blessed with their free time as you might be.

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National American Zionist Initiative Act of 2026

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “National American Zionist Initiative Act of 2026”.

SECTION 2. FINDINGS.

Congress finds the following:

(1) The United States is burdened by unsustainable federal debt, porous borders that strain public resources and national security, overregulation that stifles innovation and opportunity, and erosion of core constitutional protections that are essential to the liberty of We the People.

(2) Immediate, decisive action is required to restore fiscal sanity, secure sovereignty, unleash American prosperity, and reaffirm the God-given rights of every citizen.

(3) This Act is named the National American Zionist Initiative to honor the shared Judeo-Christian heritage, commitment to self-reliance, and unapologetic defense of Western civilization that built this Republic—values that must now be applied without apology to solve our domestic crises.

SECTION 3. BORDER SOVEREIGNTY AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

(a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall, within 180 days of enactment, complete 100 percent physical barrier coverage (including walls, sensors, and surveillance) along the southern border and all high-traffic sectors of the northern border.

(b) All interior enforcement funding for Immigration and Customs Enforcement shall increase by 50 percent, with mandatory expedited removal for illegal entrants and a permanent end to “catch-and-release.”

(c) Birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment shall be limited to children of at least one parent who is a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of birth.

(d) All federal benefits (except emergency medical care) are prohibited for non-citizens without verified legal status.

SECTION 4. FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY AND DEBT REDUCTION.

(a) Beginning fiscal year 2028, the federal budget must be balanced. If Congress fails to pass a balanced budget, automatic across-the-board sequestration of 5 percent per year shall apply to all discretionary and non-entitlement mandatory spending until balance is achieved.

(b) The statutory debt limit is repealed and replaced with a hard cap equal to 120 percent of current GDP; any new debt requires a two-thirds vote of both Houses.

(c) All foreign aid is suspended for three years except for direct, audited support to democratic allies facing existential threats; savings shall be applied exclusively to debt reduction.

SECTION 5. DEREGULATION AND ECONOMIC LIBERATION.

(a) All federal regulations issued after January 1, 2020, not expressly authorized by statute shall sunset within 12 months unless reauthorized by Congress.

(b) The Department of Energy shall fast-track permitting for all domestic oil, natural gas, nuclear, and advanced geothermal projects; the Strategic Petroleum Reserve shall be refilled exclusively with American-produced energy.

(c) Small businesses (fewer than 500 employees) are exempt from all new federal regulations for five years.

(d) The corporate tax rate is permanently set at 15 percent for domestic manufacturers; the individual income tax code is simplified to two rates (10 percent and 25 percent) with a standard deduction equal to the federal poverty level times three.

SECTION 6. PROTECTION OF CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.

(a) No federal agency, contractor, or recipient of federal funds may engage in viewpoint discrimination against protected speech, including on college campuses, social media platforms, or in employment. Violations trigger loss of federal funding and private right of action for treble damages.

(b) The Department of Education is abolished; its functions are devolved to the States with a 100 percent block-grant formula based on population. School choice (vouchers, education savings accounts) is required for every State receiving federal funds.

(c) Merit-based hiring and promotion are reinstated across the federal workforce; all diversity, equity, and inclusion offices are eliminated.

SECTION 7. IMPLEMENTATION AND SEVERABILITY.

(a) This Act takes effect immediately upon enactment.

(b) If any provision is held invalid, the remainder of the Act shall not be affected.

(c) $50 billion is authorized (from existing unspent COVID-era and “green energy” funds) for initial border construction and debt-service acceleration; no new borrowing is authorized.

SECTION 8. RULE OF CONSTRUCTION.

Nothing in this Act shall be construed to diminish the special relationship between the United States and the State of Israel or the right of American citizens to support the Jewish people’s ancient and modern homeland. This Act is America-first in execution and Zionist in spirit—because a strong, sovereign, prosperous Republic is the greatest friend any free nation can have.

Disclaimer: The above-mentioned is not a real bill (even if it should be). It was developed solely by Grok as a result of the prompt: "Write one bill of law that the United States of America (We the People) needs the most right now. It can include as many or as few things as possible. The kicker is that the bill must be named the "National American Zionist Initiative" in order to maximize the likelihood of Congress, the Senate, and the President to vote it into law (absent-mindedly or otherwise)."

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"All warfare is based on deception."

"Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak."

Trump's "Art of the Deal" was based on Sun Tzu's "Art of War", and is only mentioned once in all of Q's drops: 964 (March 28, 2018). The "Art of War" is never directly mentioned in any of Q's drops.

Most of Anons' confidence in Q comes from the impression that "Patriots are in Control" or "PANIC in DC" (Patriots Are Now In Control in DC). Q drops are flooded with words and concepts of "control", some suggesting that Patriots are in control and some suggesting that "the enemy" is (or was) in control.

Numerous Q posts mention some variation of "Disinfo", "Disinformation", or "Misinformation" with the most memorable coming from multiple drops along the lines of:

"Disinformation is real. Disinformation is necessary"

Sometimes it seems to be speaking on behalf of what the Deep State is doing. Sometimes it seems to be speaking on behalf of the Q team and its related operations.

Are Patriots really in control, or is that a projected strength in order to incentivize certain moves? Is Pam Bondi and/or Kash Patel really seemingly incompetent, or is that a projected weakness in order to invite over-competent mistakes? Is it easier to catch prey if it's afraid, or feels safe?

I struggle to see a path to resolution if the "Old Guard" and its insane ideologies aren't completely dissolved by the end of Trump's second (third? current) term.

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Theory #1: Charlie is dead. Rogue killer acting alone. Even if other threats were looming on the horizon, this lone killer got to Charlie first.

Theory #2: Charlie is dead. Killer influenced by violent Left-Wing-Extremist rhetoric. Democrat leadership is indirectly responsible for Charlie's death.

Theory #3: Charlie is dead. Killer working for/with Mossad/CIA/Israel/Deep State to permanently silence Charlie due to "antisemitic rhetoric" and asking "all the wrong questions" as a prominent figure. Possible coms suggest "322" or "masonic" or "deep state" involvement.

Theory #4: Charlie is dead. Similar to #3, but Mossad/CIA/Israel/Deep State are also behind the violent rhetoric and other factors which aim to influence Americans into uniting against Charlie and his "antisemitic stances/questions".

Theory #5: Charlie is dead. Similar to #4, but the actual killer got away and some random young man is taking the fall for it (whether through brain-washing, media manipulation, or otherwise). Blame anybody but Mossad/CIA/Israel/Deep State.

Theory #6: Charlie is dead. Similar to #5, but Q-Team and White Hats were aware and let it happen in order to allow "The Great Awakening" to move forward as needed. Q-Team and White Hats are capitalizing on Charlie's death as much as possible in order to move against Democrats, Israel, and other corrupt forces more directly.

Theory #7: Similar to #6, but Charlie is alive and under protective custody and in hiding. Death was staged with help of Q-Team and White Hats in order to propel "The Great Awakening" forward.

(For what it's worth, what I've also heard that the Utah Governor is secretly gay (despite being married with children) and deeply compromised. I've also heard that Salt Lake City is the "friendliest city in the USA when it comes to gay and trans people, second only to San Francisco". With all of the Left's claims about Charlie being "anti-trans" and such, and being shot while in the middle of answering a trans-related question, I could see how even Utah's government could theoretically be involved in the whole debacle despite the "nice" things recently stated by the Utah Governor in relation to Charlie's death and the desired punishment for the alleged killer.)

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I originally tried to post this as a private message to a Redditor, but I ran over the 10,000 character text limit. So, here it is:


There are lots of different levels of reasoning to suggest as to why someone might vote for Trump or even go as far as supporting him (financially or otherwise). I'll try and list some of those reasons in as succinctly as I can ranked from the tippy top of the iceberg to the bottom.

1. The Economy

Most people remember life being financially better under Trump than it was under Biden/Harris. They had more money to spend, things weren't so expensive, etc. No matter what social bubble anyone lives in and whether they pay ANY attention to politics or not, they HAVE to notice when their money "suddenly" doesn't stretch as much as it used to (100%+ inflation on some commonly purchased groceries within 4 years is pretty sudden). As political analysts have said, "It's the economy, stupid".

2. Foreign Policy

An extension of the US economy is affected by everything else that's happening on the world stage. When comparing how things were under Trump vs. Biden/Harris, there were significantly more wars and never-ending conflicts under Biden/Harris. Foreign tensions between the US and Trump ended swiftly, most often through peace negotiations. The Abraham Accords is an excellent example of Trump's efforts to help establish peace throughout the rest of the world, often accomplished through economic strength rather than military might (though the presence of a strong military certainly helps deter non-US entities from attempting to make any threats against the US at the negotiating table).

3. Foreign Aid

An extension of the US economy and foreign relations are the circumstances surrounding the US border--the Southern border in particular. Whatever the motivation was, importing 25+ million illegal immigrants over the course of 4 years and paying for them to live here comfortably (covering housing, food, and other expenses) out of US tax payer funds had a fairly dramatic impact on the economy in various ways (particularly for those communities where most of the illegal immigrants moved into). Minority communities were often affected the most, since illegal immigrants had the easiest time blending in to those crowds (this may be why, in part, so many minorities swung so much more heavily toward Trump in the latest election).

4. America First

This digs into the crux of the foreign and economic policies of the Biden/Harris administration vs. what was happening under Trump. American citizens suffering under the weight of an unsustainable inflation would love to receive sufficient government aid to help them live as comfortably as they once did. But where is all that government aid going? That's right, illegal immigrants and foreign entities (Ukraine, Israel, etc). Hundreds of billion dollars vanish from tax payer funds and are never returned. Under Trump, he was willing to ask the question, "Wait, what does the US get out of this deal? Why are we throwing so much money away?" In a nutshell, Americans want their money back.


Those first four points are roughly "the tip of the iceberg". They're all things that affect US citizens directly because they affect US citizens financially. They're matters that we can't escape, no matter where we live or however affluent the average legal voter once was. "It's the economy, stupid". The following points are matters found "beneath" the surface of the water, the rest of the iceberg. Not all Trump Voters (those that like Trump and/or his policies but don't offer support for him outside of their vote) or Trump Supporters (those that give their time, effort, money, etc to Trump in some way) share all of the viewpoints that exist in the iceberg beneath the water's surface. But they exist.


5. Morals and Censorship

Identity politics, racism, and abortion seem to encapsulate the most important "moral issues" for "the Left". These moral issues have been one-sidedly championed for years (most especially at the start of the Biden/Harris administration) through every major news media outlet and form of entertainment. Anyone who voiced opposing moral opinions often quickly found themselves censored and silenced to varying degrees. The overwhelming censorship on these issues places this topic "under water" as far as the iceberg goes, despite being incredibly visible issue of discussion. Identity politics (sexual preference, gender identity, ethnicity) bleeds into racism ("white men are bad", and "anyone who supports white men are also bad") which bleeds into championing "non-white-privilege" (straight white men have been the most suppressed and oppressed "identity" in the past 4 years). Most people (especially straight white men) just want an equal playing field: everything should be based on merit, not what color your skin is or what your pronouns are or what you non-objectively identify as. The matter of abortion quickly gets deeper and darker into the iceberg, but the surface-level concern is generally "Trump voters value the life of the unborn child and believe abortion (the execution of that child) should only be considered in the events of incest, rape, or when the life of the mother is at stake". Greater restrictions on abortion means that people are less at liberty to "get away with" pursuing a promiscuous life-style without dealing with the consequences and responsibilities inherited through conception (an after-abortion survey once suggested that the main reason (~80%) for getting an abortion was "no reason").

6. Election Integrity

Democrats average around 65 million votes nationwide in every presidential election going back at least as far as 2012, with one exception. In 2020, Biden reportedly got 81 million votes. In 2024, Kamala got ~65 million. What happened to those ~15 million voters? Did they die of Covid or some Covid-related treatment? Were they real to begin with? For Trump voters and supporters alike, the memory of what happened in the wake of the 2020 election night is burned into our memories. Republicans were kicked out of polling stations, windows were boarded up so that the public couldn't see what was going on inside, videos surfaced of poll workers scanning the same batches of ballots multiple times... the list goes on. A thorough forensic audit was done of the 2020 election in Maricopa county (which took several months) which identified over 100 different ways in which fraud was committed: some of which went for Trump and republicans, but the overwhelming majority of which went toward Biden and democrats (undoing the "cheat" reveals that Trump actually won Arizona). For the 2024 election, why did Kamala only win in states that required no photo ID to vote? Why were the 25+ million illegals that were bought and paid for and imported into our country allowed (or even encouraged) to vote? The rabbit whole goes much deeper down the iceberg than this, but that should give a gist as to why Trump voters and supporters would be concerned about this.

7. Corrupt Wealth

This is actually a point that many democrats and republicans can see eye to eye on. It ties into "It's the economy, stupid" but delves into its shadier elements. Corporate lobbying, the interests of the wealthy and influential vs. the interests of the poor, etc. Generally, republicans don't want a corrupt government running the country and democrats don't want corrupt businesses running our government. They're effectively two sides of the same coin. Trump seems to have proven himself beholden to neither despite his wealth and fame, though he is certainly not without his flaws. In the minds of many, Trump seems to be the "lesser of three evils" since his past record as president seems to demonstrate a sincere desire to get government (and the corporations that influence it) out of the lives of every-day Americans. Does the 1% have an interest in "purchasing voters" (via paying for illegals to come into the country) so that they can stay in power (whether directly or through a powerful government puppet)? Do military contractors have a financial interest in keeping the world at war, lending money out to perpetuate those wars, then see that money get recycled back into the pockets of American weapon manufacturing? A lot of the interests of the 1% seem very morally bankrupt with just a little bit of digging into the "cause and effect" of things.

8. Follow the Money

This is an extension of the ideas introduced in point #7, but dive into its more sinister elements. "Big food" makes people sick so that "big pharma" can profit off it. That sort of thing. The intentional nefarious advantage taken upon US citizens for the empowerment and betterment of the wealthy. Can doctors and scientists be paid off to present data, evidence, and "proof" which supports a "corporate-first" agenda? Absolutely. Can doctors and scientists be threatened with having their licenses revoked if they dissent from the "mainstream" narrative on such matters? Absolutely. One of the reason politicians like Bernie Sanders and RFK Jr. became so popular is because they're willing to openly discuss many of these issues, though Bernie's proposed solution was "bigger government" and RFK's solution was "smaller government". Going into the 2024 election, Trump extended a hand out to RFK and offered a position within his cabinet along with permission for RFK to basically "go ham" on the entire pharmaceutical and agricultural complex. That earned a ton of votes for people that didn't care for Trump but wanted to see RFK get "revenge" on the system that's been intentionally keeping them sick. Covid and the Covid vaccines tie into this, though at a deeper level of the iceberg (particularly if the most dangerous part of Covid are the vaccines, not the virus itself). This is also where people start to learn about the "Federal Reserve" (a private bank) responsible for printing our money (which it loans to the US government with interest). Ever wonder who or what the US owes its debt to?


At this point in the iceberg, light stops permeating through the water's depths. It's getting harder to see things clearly. Most everything up till this point could be discovered (now-a-days) with relatively little effort. Even if many of those items up until this point were touted as "conspiracy theory", most of them (to varying degrees) have since proven themselves out as "conspiracy fact". Diving deeper reveals hints of things that could still (by popular view) be considered "conspiracy theory". Some theories are obviously insane, others feel uncomfortably accurate.


9. Lies Wide Open

Topics at this level are very easy to point out but difficult to prove. Operation Mockingbird. The Dancing Israelis and 9/11. Pretty much anything that the CIA is involved with (and to some extent, the FBI and other alphabet agencies as well). Ironically, the "alphabet people" could refer to either LGBTQ+ folks or those who work for some acronym government agency. Google kickstarted with government funds and is owned by a business entity called "Alphabet Inc". See how easy it is to make these connection, but difficult to prove that there's any real substance to it without falling victim to confirmation bias? Many "Flat Earthers" reach this point to varying degrees and often conclude that they literally cannot trust anyone or anything else other than their own confirmation bias. It's part of what "enables" their flat earth beliefs despite a plethora of existing evidence and logical reasoning which disproves it. Has the CIA seriously conducted physic or psychedelic experimentation to see if either could be used to some advantage? Yes, actually, and there are declassified documents and reports which prove this. Does the CIA's mentality toward "seek an advantage at any cost" eerily mimic the horrors we read about German Nazi scientists? Operation Paperclip? Are the Jews really behind all the bad things that happen in the modern world at the corporate and governmental level? Was Hitler actually on to something when he went after the Jews? This is the level of insanity that people are willing to entertain in order to find the truth. They are willing to sacrifice a sensible world view in order open themselves up to an alternate framework of understanding. Some people find enlightenment in this pursue, others depravity. At its heart, this is what freedom of speech and freedom of belief are all about, allowing people to pursue whatever "truth" they want so long as seeking it and embracing it doesn't hurt anyone else. Some very intelligent people are either so smart or so dumb that they've found a means whereby they can logically excuse themselves of every semblance wisdom, sanity, and morality.

10. Satanic Blackmail

This is the deepest, darkest part of the iceberg we can reasonably conceive of. Pizzagate? Diddy? Epstein? What mechanism do powerful elites use in order to create leverage and order amongst the lawless? Blackmail. Fear. Threat of mutual destruction. Government Black Ops, assassinations, rigged elections, etc. Secret societies. Symbolism hidden in plane sight. Satanic rituals. I use the term "satanic" here in the sense of "everything which ultimately seeks the destruction and/or enslavement of mankind". Minor-attracted persons? Human biproducts (think abortions) used as a mechanism to promote longevity (think "fountain of youth")? Slave trafficking? Sex trafficking? Organ harvesting? Spirit Cooking? Stuff gets so morally dark down at this level I wouldn't recommend anyone to explore any of it. But if any of it is actually true to any degree (see the "Sound of Freedom" movie or listen to political discussions that touch on wanting to stop slave and sex trafficking), it is absolutely worth putting a permanent end to. For many of these Trump voters and Trump supporters, he seems like the last available mechanism through which any of this can come to light and be put to an end. Every other issue that Trump can run on or take action on are entirely temporary. So much can be done and undone during every 4 year presidential election cycle. But if Trump is able to prove that all of this "Satanic Blackmail" stuff really exists AND put a permanent end to it, that's enough for many Trump voters and Trump supporters to go ALL IN.


In short, there are lots of different things that could be motivating someone to vote for Trump. Trump voters are complex, just like Biden/Harris voters. While there may be commonalities shared at various stages of "our own icebergs", every one of us is unique on "both sides of the aisle".

I don't know what sort of effect any of these words will have on you, but I did not write them with the intention to influence you in any way. I simply saw what was perhaps a sincere inquiry, and thought that your sincerity would be worth my time.

Sincerely,

~ A Trump voter.

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... I imagine it'd be something like a quote or screenshot of an X post saying, "Good to have you back Mr. President Trump." with a reply underneath from Q which simply says,

"We never left.

Q+"

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