Atheist is saying u dont believe in the God figure but as was pointed out u simpling saying that ur atheist imply that u admit there is a God but saying u dont believe in one. Because u wouldnt need to make something saying u dont believe in the thing that u dont believe in.
Your argument unfortunately only works if you conflate the concept of God with the existence of God. The concept of God is undeniable, just as the concept of flat earth is. It is the existence that is in question, and upon which you can profess belief or non-belief. The concept of God does not prove its existence, just as the concept of flat earth does not prove its existence.
I feel the flat earth might not be best reference. Because were not saying whether it's real or not were saying what the form is. I can add triangle earth square earth penis shaped earth
U cant add to this argument. There r two sides u either believe all powerful being outside is real or u believe it's not real. If it's an all powerful being nothing can be greater and nothing smaller can compare to it. So its almost like light. There is light and there is dark they cant both be possible in same space. These two side r the same way God and no God can not both exist in same thought. So i guess In a way atheist isnt religion and isnt something u can claim its what happens when u remain outside any thought of the idea of God. So anyone that say I'm atheist they bring themselves to have the idea of God and no God in order to form there conclusion of no God. And that act is what makes God possible or u couldn't think about it to weight the idea and form ur coclusion
If u can say there is no God we at that point agree that we know what we r both talking about when we say God correct? An all powerful being that is it's own thing outside of everything we can comprehend and know. So now that we r both talking about same thing u say ur atheist so ur bring to me ur belief that there is no thing that I call God. What I'm saying is saying ur atheist brings me to think u know God as the concept we mean. So how can u claim to not believe in something outside everything in our universe yet claim u known what we mean. All I'm saying is them saying there atheist brings them into the same idea. Were saying we believe in all powerful being outside everything in universe. But how can u not believe In something that u agree is outside the known. At worst ur admitting it's possible by claiming it's impossible. Anything outside the known can never be labeled impossible for sure. And if u can think deep enough to atleast visualize outside the universe enough to say u dont believe its possible says it's at least possible
So first thing, atheism is the lack of belief, not the belief in non-belief. I cannot profess to you my belief in nothing, as I do not profess belief to begin with.
Secondly and unfortunately this argument can be turned against you quite easily I'm afraid.
The burden of proof ultimately rests on those making the claim for God's existence, as they are making the claim against what is observable or quantifiable by human means. It is not incumbent on me to prove that God does not exist, but on the believer to prove he does.
How can you claim to know God exists if he is outside the known? By virtue of it being outside the known, it can never truly be known, and is impossible to sustain otherwise as it would need to become known, nullifying God's position as being outside the known.
At this point you only have two options, which is the God of the Gaps argument, which is to say we relegate God to what we do not know, and God is ever-shrinking the more we end up knowing about the universe.
Or option 2, much more likely, that ultimately leads to agnosticism as neither side can ever TRULY know for sure that God exists. Ultimately this is really the most sensible position to take, as agnostics simply admit that since there is no proof one way or another for divinity, they will never truly know unless divinity manifests itself to them. Arguably we should all be agnostics as a matter of principle and consistency with our way of analysis and fact gathering as a species.
The fact is belief in God's existence is currently only achieved through belief, and not evidence.
Ultimately it doesn't truly matter, since it is true that humans benefit from belief in God, regardless of God's existence, so I subscribe to Jordan Peterson's stance whereby he says that he acts as if God exists, which does not require the existence of God, but the acknowledgement that God is the ultimately example of what humans should strive to emulate in their behavior in life. (barring some of the more nasty stuff in the Old Testament hehe).
I was born in an overwhelmingly majority orthodox christian society, and my nation's language is filled with expressions that contain God. God's work being one of them. It was unavoidable that these expressions found their way into my vocabulary, and I don't feel that purging them from usage is appropriate, they still contain meaning as they draw it from the concept of God and do not rely on the existence of God.
I also did not use the expression in a disrespectful manner, as I really believe our mods require our support and approval, not because I enjoy banning opposing viewpoints, but because shills don't really come here to have well-reasoned arguments, which is why I think it's important that we keep focused on the task at hand, and not be distracted by petty people.
Neither do I foresee my country becoming majority atheist any time soon, nor do I think that is necessarily desirable, certainly not at the hand of the majority of atheism's current professors, that is to say leftists puppeteered by cabal elites.
I think it's a valuable discussion that we should continue to have well into our species' future, after we get rid of these bad actors, and I think you will find people on both sides of the argument now and forever, but I don't think it's healthy to consider atheists as deluded in their lack of belief.
No, the better example would be to say 'The easter bunny doesn't exist but I'll happily attend an Easter lunch'. His humor was very clear - he's an atheist but he's making a self-contradictory assertion by saying he can see Gods work.
Wouldn't that be the case for everyone then? No worship figure, no worshipers, makes sense, right?
Atheist is saying u dont believe in the God figure but as was pointed out u simpling saying that ur atheist imply that u admit there is a God but saying u dont believe in one. Because u wouldnt need to make something saying u dont believe in the thing that u dont believe in.
Your argument unfortunately only works if you conflate the concept of God with the existence of God. The concept of God is undeniable, just as the concept of flat earth is. It is the existence that is in question, and upon which you can profess belief or non-belief. The concept of God does not prove its existence, just as the concept of flat earth does not prove its existence.
I feel the flat earth might not be best reference. Because were not saying whether it's real or not were saying what the form is. I can add triangle earth square earth penis shaped earth U cant add to this argument. There r two sides u either believe all powerful being outside is real or u believe it's not real. If it's an all powerful being nothing can be greater and nothing smaller can compare to it. So its almost like light. There is light and there is dark they cant both be possible in same space. These two side r the same way God and no God can not both exist in same thought. So i guess In a way atheist isnt religion and isnt something u can claim its what happens when u remain outside any thought of the idea of God. So anyone that say I'm atheist they bring themselves to have the idea of God and no God in order to form there conclusion of no God. And that act is what makes God possible or u couldn't think about it to weight the idea and form ur coclusion
If u can say there is no God we at that point agree that we know what we r both talking about when we say God correct? An all powerful being that is it's own thing outside of everything we can comprehend and know. So now that we r both talking about same thing u say ur atheist so ur bring to me ur belief that there is no thing that I call God. What I'm saying is saying ur atheist brings me to think u know God as the concept we mean. So how can u claim to not believe in something outside everything in our universe yet claim u known what we mean. All I'm saying is them saying there atheist brings them into the same idea. Were saying we believe in all powerful being outside everything in universe. But how can u not believe In something that u agree is outside the known. At worst ur admitting it's possible by claiming it's impossible. Anything outside the known can never be labeled impossible for sure. And if u can think deep enough to atleast visualize outside the universe enough to say u dont believe its possible says it's at least possible
So first thing, atheism is the lack of belief, not the belief in non-belief. I cannot profess to you my belief in nothing, as I do not profess belief to begin with.
Secondly and unfortunately this argument can be turned against you quite easily I'm afraid.
The burden of proof ultimately rests on those making the claim for God's existence, as they are making the claim against what is observable or quantifiable by human means. It is not incumbent on me to prove that God does not exist, but on the believer to prove he does.
How can you claim to know God exists if he is outside the known? By virtue of it being outside the known, it can never truly be known, and is impossible to sustain otherwise as it would need to become known, nullifying God's position as being outside the known.
At this point you only have two options, which is the God of the Gaps argument, which is to say we relegate God to what we do not know, and God is ever-shrinking the more we end up knowing about the universe.
Or option 2, much more likely, that ultimately leads to agnosticism as neither side can ever TRULY know for sure that God exists. Ultimately this is really the most sensible position to take, as agnostics simply admit that since there is no proof one way or another for divinity, they will never truly know unless divinity manifests itself to them. Arguably we should all be agnostics as a matter of principle and consistency with our way of analysis and fact gathering as a species.
The fact is belief in God's existence is currently only achieved through belief, and not evidence.
Ultimately it doesn't truly matter, since it is true that humans benefit from belief in God, regardless of God's existence, so I subscribe to Jordan Peterson's stance whereby he says that he acts as if God exists, which does not require the existence of God, but the acknowledgement that God is the ultimately example of what humans should strive to emulate in their behavior in life. (barring some of the more nasty stuff in the Old Testament hehe).
That ‘whirring’ noise you hear is the humour going right over your head ??♂️
Besides, your initial post completely undermined any claim to atheism you may think you subscribe to.
You simply can’t acknowledge that something is “God’s work” while simultaneously claiming to not acknowledge the existence of God.
“The Easter bunny doesn’t exist, but the fucker just left a shitload of eggs around my house”
Think about it.
The irony.
I was born in an overwhelmingly majority orthodox christian society, and my nation's language is filled with expressions that contain God. God's work being one of them. It was unavoidable that these expressions found their way into my vocabulary, and I don't feel that purging them from usage is appropriate, they still contain meaning as they draw it from the concept of God and do not rely on the existence of God.
I also did not use the expression in a disrespectful manner, as I really believe our mods require our support and approval, not because I enjoy banning opposing viewpoints, but because shills don't really come here to have well-reasoned arguments, which is why I think it's important that we keep focused on the task at hand, and not be distracted by petty people.
Neither do I foresee my country becoming majority atheist any time soon, nor do I think that is necessarily desirable, certainly not at the hand of the majority of atheism's current professors, that is to say leftists puppeteered by cabal elites.
I think it's a valuable discussion that we should continue to have well into our species' future, after we get rid of these bad actors, and I think you will find people on both sides of the argument now and forever, but I don't think it's healthy to consider atheists as deluded in their lack of belief.
No, the better example would be to say 'The easter bunny doesn't exist but I'll happily attend an Easter lunch'. His humor was very clear - he's an atheist but he's making a self-contradictory assertion by saying he can see Gods work.