because the C.C doesn't want us to read the Gnostic account
Because like Cabal those "Gnostic account" negates really meaning of thing Jesus being son of God and simultaneously the god himself in one did for us ! I was explaining it earlier,I wouldn't repeat.
I did not attack Catholics, I attacked the C.C., Im trying to help Catholics realize How absolutely EVIL the C.C.
Again you lie or you are ignorant - you not attack so called "leaders" you attack core beliefs and you are claiming it is for people's good and that Q is supporting that. You are only sewing religious division here.
C.C. wrote the N.T. to control the masses, they piggy backed the O.T. to wipe out Judaism, to convert Jews to Catholicism
So now you suggest that New Testament is also lie.That Bible is a lie. So you are not only attacking Catholics - Roman and Ortodox.You are now attacking Protestant believers core of faith too. And you are claiming converting Jews to be bad thing ? Interesting...
Simon Magnus and Simon Peter battled each other with magic. The N.T. Jesus practiced magic also
But despite you negate N.T. I shall again quote it.:
But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, "This man is the great power [Gr. Dynamis Megale] of God."[20] And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries. But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (for as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, saying, "Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost." But Peter said unto him, "Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought [Gr. Epinoia][21] of thine heart may be forgiven thee, for I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity." Then answered Simon, and said, "Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me."
Magic... Claiming Jesus or apostoles were practicing "magic" is another your blasphemy,proof of wickery or stupidity.
Bible on sorcery (Old Testament !) :
“When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the Lord your God.
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
A man or a woman who is a medium or a necromancer shall surely be put to death. They shall be stoned with stones; their blood shall be upon them.”
Leviticus 20:27
These two things shall come to you in a moment, in one day; the loss of children and widowhood shall come upon you in full measure, in spite of your many sorceries and the great power of your enchantments. You felt secure in your wickedness, you said, “No one sees me”; your wisdom and your knowledge led you astray, and you said in your heart, “I am, and there is no one besides me.” But evil shall come upon you, which you will not know how to charm away; disaster shall fall upon you, for which you will not be able to atone; and ruin shall come upon you suddenly, of which you know nothing. Stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries, with which you have labored from your youth; perhaps you may be able to succeed; perhaps you may inspire terror. You are wearied with your many counsels; let them stand forth and save you, those who divide the heavens, who gaze at the stars, who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you.
Isaiah 47:9-13
Q has showed us the C.C. is evil. Im trying to help Catholic people to move away from the C.C.'s teachings
Q has showed the Vatican is corrupted by and most of hierarchy is evil indeed.But it was NOT about the teachings you so persecute. Not even a bit.
So after all despite all I have written I get to conclusion: I tried to make you thinking what you are doing wrong,but maybe I indeed talk with enemy of Christianity itself and agent of satanist cabal ? I end talking with you here.
May the God forgive you.
What Church preached before Bergolio. By the way if we are about Catholic Church then if is probably even in big part rather "what Church preached" before John XXIIIrd, than about those Jesuite antipope (when Pope lives and there is another Pope that means that one of them is just fake - so antipope) "Francis".
It is obvious than in Vatican we have satanist and homosexual lobby of bishops,case of "Panachama" is obvious example of this cancer in Vatican and Roman Catholic Church.I would even say that bishops who seemed still to be righteous did not enough fearing they could be called schismatic.
And going even deeper - technically I think even that Ortodoxia (Eastern Ortodox Catholic Church whose so called "superior" is in Constantinopole) was and is right in many things more than Roman church with its Pope.
There are many steps to the truth and we are all so blind.It is not so easy...
The thing is Church of god is under continous siege of Satan. There isn't "one and completely proper doctrine" today probably. Jesus promised his Church at the end will prevail over forces of hell,but did he ever promised it will be "intact" or said it would demand martyrdom of many his believers ? Aren't his teachings hard ?
And our quarrel here is unnecessary,might be even harmful for Q movement.Because Q is mostly about our world not the theology. Not the religious doctrine being about God's kingdom not being material,but about our material world. The thing is of course there are people guided by God and being tools in his hands. Like Roman emperors from Constantine were really for Christianity - you call this "evil" (why - because of proseliting jews ? Are you a Jew ? All religions were or are proseliting even Jewish one !), I call this God's plan and will.Plan which caused there is more than billion (in US convention: so thousand million) Christians - Ortodox,Roman Catholic and Protestant on the globe - and maybe will be still more. I hope Q is meant to break or expose those serving satan and being against the God.To save us or at least our souls if not our material bodies.
What Church preached before Bergolio. By the way if we are about Catholic Church then if is probably even in big part rather "what Church preached" before John XXIIIrd, than about those Jesuite antipope (when Pope lives and there is another Pope that means that one of them is just fake - so antipope) "Francis".
The papacy was evil long before John XXIII.
Pope Damasus I (366-384) - People who lived during Damasus’s rule saw an astringent day where ladies and youngsters were purchased and sold as slaves to build funds for the congregation at Damasus’ church. The individuals who resisted the domineering principle of Damasus would be tormented and truly blazed alive after their properties were seized and utilized for chapel assigned purposes. More awful fact is that the ladies forced into prostitution were not generally basic subjects of Rome, but rather female ministers and nuns themselves
John XII (955-964)-The people of Vatican have surely experienced the worse of the world with their evil popes. Pope John XII was among them but with more libido than any of his contemporaries. He became pope when he was only 18 years old, and immediately developed a reputation of rape and deviant sexual activity. He allegedly raped his two sisters regularly, obtained a 10-year-old bishop, and refused to make the sign of the cross. Even worse, he invoked pagan gods when gambling. Pope John XII also took particular enjoyment in having sex around the Vatican’s most holy sites like the tombs of St. Peter and St. Paul. He had sex with women and men in the papal palace, and he held massive orgies wherever he wanted. When visitors refused his attentions, he went ahead and raped them anyway. Apart from raping, he also castrated and then murdered a cardinal as well as blinded and murdered his confessor. His 9 years of reign ended after his death when an outraged husband caught him in bed with his wife. He had a son who became Pope John XIII who died the exact same way. Like father , like son perhaps?
Pope Benedict IX (1032-1048) - Having ruled in discontinuous periods, this pope had a wicked personality hidden behind the face as a priest. He is reported to have achieved papacy due to a socially stronger family background. Pope Benedict IX was someone who would sell papacy for great sums of money which is also evident by the fact that he gave up papacy twice during his reign for gold and money. He was accused of adultery, homosexuality and even bestiality, all qualities which are unthinkable of a holy person.
Pope Urban II (1088-1099) -For a reference to realize the atrocities committed by Pope Urban II, Hitler is known to have ordered the killing of around 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. Pope Urban II was the benchmark for where the wrongdoings against mankind and God got to be genocidal. Between the years 1096-1099 Pope Urban II requested the butcher of approximately ten million individuals where there were men and ladies yet for the most part kids in endeavors to secure Belgrade, the Orthodox Church of Constantinople in Yugoslavia and additionally Turkey, Syria, Antioch and Palestine. This pope, based upon the facts mentioned, is on 2nd number for the most evil popes in the history of Christianity.
Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) - Though he wasn’t as bloodthirsty as his predecessor, he was known to be an aid and abetted in mass murders of over one million people during his papacy period between 1198 and 1216. He also began a Crusade against the Albigenses where he was known to order the butcher of thousands of individuals in inhumane ways.
Even though he was after John XXIII, my favorite;
Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) - He was an epitome of merciless and cruel nature and indeed an insane personality. He was known to be Hitler’s Pope. This insane and evil pope suggested Hitler the use of such barbaric ways to execute non-Catholic minorities including setting individuals on fire, cannibalism, live dismemberment of body parts and beating up with those parts until death. Not only did his hideous nature account for this, he also aided the war criminals of Croatia under the name of Catholic Ustashi and committed mass murders of more than 600,000 people which make it really hard to realize the magnitude of his malevolent and sinister nature. Thus he tops the list of the most evil pope in the history of mankind.
There are several after John XXII.
Benedict was/is a Nazi, is this why you accept him as the real pope? ;)
You need to make up your mind, either Im a Gnostic or a Jew, because Gnostics see the Jewish god and your god (OT god) as an evil god. Q has already exposed the Catholic Church as Evil, now you need to decide if he is correct.
Ive said my peace, if you reply to this post, I will not be replying back. I've enjoyed listing to your perspective and hope we can leave on good terms, I hold no ill will towards you and hope to see you around the forum. All will be revealed sooner or later.
Benedict was/is a Nazi, is this why you accept him as the real pope? ;)
Technically forced into joining Hitlerjugend at age of 16 (It was compulsory for all german kids), and in 1944 after being forced to German army deserted,and quite soon surrendered to Americans spending the rest time as POW.
Pope Urban II (1088-1099) -For a reference to realize the atrocities committed by Pope Urban II
You mean crushades then ? There were of course also political reasons being result of greed too (Middle Ages),but Crushades were really DEFENCE against islam expansion. In fact what begun in islamic conquer of Christian lands in VIIth century was persecution of Christians and Jews living in those lands as well as Pilgrims including crucifying,killing,burning temples and monastries. In fact it is the Byzantium Emperor Alexios I Kommenos who asked Pope for help with defending Christian against violent islam.Despite pride,despite the fact only 40 years earlier Roman Catholic Church was called "Schismatic" and "Heretic" after quarrel between Patriarch of Constantinopole and Pope.
To make it clear jews were also prosecuted by muslims. And ok - of course crushaders were comparing to our times violent and brutal.They were not so humanitarian like the european armies in XXth and XXIth century.But armies of islam... they were comparable to today's ISIS, what do you expect - they deserved to be wiped out*. It was just self defence,and thing that Crushaders instead of pledging loyalty to Constantinopole created their own kingdom of Jerusalem that other crushades also harmed Bizantine people and so on - Middle ages were quite barbarian era,and West was barbarian primitive and tribal comparing it to Bizantine empire. Rullers murdering and torturing members of their own families for power, common slave trade and Church trying to civilize those all barbarians - Church being tiny island of civilization (in comparison to the tribal western kingdoms). Those early medieval rullers were unable to read and write and not only that was the problem.Do you think pope Urban II controlled directly what those people do or can do ? It was natural self defence, Urban II maybe wanted do it good,but things ended "as always"... Does America or Russia did only good things during fighting against ISIS ? So what you expect of people living in dark ages almost 1000 years ago ?!
Because Gnostics see the Jewish god and your god (OT god) as an evil god
So simply you are not Christian,like you earlier said it looks accept Sorcery and despite of that you claim you are against the cabal... Well I simply don't trust you,and more and more you write I am guessing
how it is possible person like you could ever support Q instead of cabal.
PS: And ISIS is obvious enemy responsible for human traficking,raping kids,destroying and robbing cultural heritage, torture and manslaugther. Even try to protect them in discussion and you know what I will do with you and what mods will do with you - even if you pretend to be supporting Q.
Oh really,you know so well about Q but you pretend to not understand who people call "wokes" XD Xinden leftist followers in short :P
But the founding fathers of USA believed in God,that GOD himself created man to be free not "the godess of liberty". Big difference. Crucial I say.
You builded lie over the truth and it is being being result of ignorance or maliece. Not THAT France you claim...
Thing you claim is obvious BIG LIE:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War And also - don't those individual fate say enough ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_du_Motier,_Marquis_de_Lafayette#French_Revolution
Because like Cabal those "Gnostic account" negates really meaning of thing Jesus being son of God and simultaneously the god himself in one did for us ! I was explaining it earlier,I wouldn't repeat.
Again you lie or you are ignorant - you not attack so called "leaders" you attack core beliefs and you are claiming it is for people's good and that Q is supporting that. You are only sewing religious division here.
So now you suggest that New Testament is also lie.That Bible is a lie. So you are not only attacking Catholics - Roman and Ortodox.You are now attacking Protestant believers core of faith too. And you are claiming converting Jews to be bad thing ? Interesting...
But despite you negate N.T. I shall again quote it.:
Magic... Claiming Jesus or apostoles were practicing "magic" is another your blasphemy,proof of wickery or stupidity.
Bible on sorcery (Old Testament !) :
Deuteronomy 18:9-14
Leviticus 20:27
Isaiah 47:9-13
Q has showed the Vatican is corrupted by and most of hierarchy is evil indeed.But it was NOT about the teachings you so persecute. Not even a bit.
So after all despite all I have written I get to conclusion: I tried to make you thinking what you are doing wrong,but maybe I indeed talk with enemy of Christianity itself and agent of satanist cabal ? I end talking with you here. May the God forgive you.
We are going to run out of thread here soon I think, these post are getting too long.
So what you are saying is the Pope is evil, but what he preaches is good and truth?
I said I ended with you,but ok...
What Church preached before Bergolio. By the way if we are about Catholic Church then if is probably even in big part rather "what Church preached" before John XXIIIrd, than about those Jesuite antipope (when Pope lives and there is another Pope that means that one of them is just fake - so antipope) "Francis".
It is obvious than in Vatican we have satanist and homosexual lobby of bishops,case of "Panachama" is obvious example of this cancer in Vatican and Roman Catholic Church.I would even say that bishops who seemed still to be righteous did not enough fearing they could be called schismatic.
And going even deeper - technically I think even that Ortodoxia (Eastern Ortodox Catholic Church whose so called "superior" is in Constantinopole) was and is right in many things more than Roman church with its Pope.
There are many steps to the truth and we are all so blind.It is not so easy...
The thing is Church of god is under continous siege of Satan. There isn't "one and completely proper doctrine" today probably. Jesus promised his Church at the end will prevail over forces of hell,but did he ever promised it will be "intact" or said it would demand martyrdom of many his believers ? Aren't his teachings hard ?
And our quarrel here is unnecessary,might be even harmful for Q movement.Because Q is mostly about our world not the theology. Not the religious doctrine being about God's kingdom not being material,but about our material world. The thing is of course there are people guided by God and being tools in his hands. Like Roman emperors from Constantine were really for Christianity - you call this "evil" (why - because of proseliting jews ? Are you a Jew ? All religions were or are proseliting even Jewish one !), I call this God's plan and will.Plan which caused there is more than billion (in US convention: so thousand million) Christians - Ortodox,Roman Catholic and Protestant on the globe - and maybe will be still more. I hope Q is meant to break or expose those serving satan and being against the God.To save us or at least our souls if not our material bodies.
The papacy was evil long before John XXIII.
Pope Damasus I (366-384) - People who lived during Damasus’s rule saw an astringent day where ladies and youngsters were purchased and sold as slaves to build funds for the congregation at Damasus’ church. The individuals who resisted the domineering principle of Damasus would be tormented and truly blazed alive after their properties were seized and utilized for chapel assigned purposes. More awful fact is that the ladies forced into prostitution were not generally basic subjects of Rome, but rather female ministers and nuns themselves
John XII (955-964)-The people of Vatican have surely experienced the worse of the world with their evil popes. Pope John XII was among them but with more libido than any of his contemporaries. He became pope when he was only 18 years old, and immediately developed a reputation of rape and deviant sexual activity. He allegedly raped his two sisters regularly, obtained a 10-year-old bishop, and refused to make the sign of the cross. Even worse, he invoked pagan gods when gambling. Pope John XII also took particular enjoyment in having sex around the Vatican’s most holy sites like the tombs of St. Peter and St. Paul. He had sex with women and men in the papal palace, and he held massive orgies wherever he wanted. When visitors refused his attentions, he went ahead and raped them anyway. Apart from raping, he also castrated and then murdered a cardinal as well as blinded and murdered his confessor. His 9 years of reign ended after his death when an outraged husband caught him in bed with his wife. He had a son who became Pope John XIII who died the exact same way. Like father , like son perhaps?
Pope Benedict IX (1032-1048) - Having ruled in discontinuous periods, this pope had a wicked personality hidden behind the face as a priest. He is reported to have achieved papacy due to a socially stronger family background. Pope Benedict IX was someone who would sell papacy for great sums of money which is also evident by the fact that he gave up papacy twice during his reign for gold and money. He was accused of adultery, homosexuality and even bestiality, all qualities which are unthinkable of a holy person.
Pope Urban II (1088-1099) -For a reference to realize the atrocities committed by Pope Urban II, Hitler is known to have ordered the killing of around 6 million Jews during the Holocaust. Pope Urban II was the benchmark for where the wrongdoings against mankind and God got to be genocidal. Between the years 1096-1099 Pope Urban II requested the butcher of approximately ten million individuals where there were men and ladies yet for the most part kids in endeavors to secure Belgrade, the Orthodox Church of Constantinople in Yugoslavia and additionally Turkey, Syria, Antioch and Palestine. This pope, based upon the facts mentioned, is on 2nd number for the most evil popes in the history of Christianity.
Pope Innocent III (1198-1216) - Though he wasn’t as bloodthirsty as his predecessor, he was known to be an aid and abetted in mass murders of over one million people during his papacy period between 1198 and 1216. He also began a Crusade against the Albigenses where he was known to order the butcher of thousands of individuals in inhumane ways.
Even though he was after John XXIII, my favorite;
Pope Pius XII (1939-1958) - He was an epitome of merciless and cruel nature and indeed an insane personality. He was known to be Hitler’s Pope. This insane and evil pope suggested Hitler the use of such barbaric ways to execute non-Catholic minorities including setting individuals on fire, cannibalism, live dismemberment of body parts and beating up with those parts until death. Not only did his hideous nature account for this, he also aided the war criminals of Croatia under the name of Catholic Ustashi and committed mass murders of more than 600,000 people which make it really hard to realize the magnitude of his malevolent and sinister nature. Thus he tops the list of the most evil pope in the history of mankind.
There are several after John XXII.
Benedict was/is a Nazi, is this why you accept him as the real pope? ;)
You need to make up your mind, either Im a Gnostic or a Jew, because Gnostics see the Jewish god and your god (OT god) as an evil god. Q has already exposed the Catholic Church as Evil, now you need to decide if he is correct.
Ive said my peace, if you reply to this post, I will not be replying back. I've enjoyed listing to your perspective and hope we can leave on good terms, I hold no ill will towards you and hope to see you around the forum. All will be revealed sooner or later.
Technically forced into joining Hitlerjugend at age of 16 (It was compulsory for all german kids), and in 1944 after being forced to German army deserted,and quite soon surrendered to Americans spending the rest time as POW.
You mean crushades then ? There were of course also political reasons being result of greed too (Middle Ages),but Crushades were really DEFENCE against islam expansion. In fact what begun in islamic conquer of Christian lands in VIIth century was persecution of Christians and Jews living in those lands as well as Pilgrims including crucifying,killing,burning temples and monastries. In fact it is the Byzantium Emperor Alexios I Kommenos who asked Pope for help with defending Christian against violent islam.Despite pride,despite the fact only 40 years earlier Roman Catholic Church was called "Schismatic" and "Heretic" after quarrel between Patriarch of Constantinopole and Pope.
To make it clear jews were also prosecuted by muslims. And ok - of course crushaders were comparing to our times violent and brutal.They were not so humanitarian like the european armies in XXth and XXIth century.But armies of islam... they were comparable to today's ISIS, what do you expect - they deserved to be wiped out*. It was just self defence,and thing that Crushaders instead of pledging loyalty to Constantinopole created their own kingdom of Jerusalem that other crushades also harmed Bizantine people and so on - Middle ages were quite barbarian era,and West was barbarian primitive and tribal comparing it to Bizantine empire. Rullers murdering and torturing members of their own families for power, common slave trade and Church trying to civilize those all barbarians - Church being tiny island of civilization (in comparison to the tribal western kingdoms). Those early medieval rullers were unable to read and write and not only that was the problem.Do you think pope Urban II controlled directly what those people do or can do ? It was natural self defence, Urban II maybe wanted do it good,but things ended "as always"... Does America or Russia did only good things during fighting against ISIS ? So what you expect of people living in dark ages almost 1000 years ago ?!
So simply you are not Christian,like you earlier said it looks accept Sorcery and despite of that you claim you are against the cabal... Well I simply don't trust you,and more and more you write I am guessing how it is possible person like you could ever support Q instead of cabal.