I don't see how you got that out of my previous comments. Obeying the law of God is not legalism. Do you believe that unrepentant sinners will be in Heaven?
so the thief on the cross with jesus did lots of good works before his death. got it.
His good work was expressing his faith in Christ. Had he not acknowledged that Jesus is the Christ and asked for Him to remember him, he wouldn't have been saved.
To reiterate, Jesus saved him, but the thief had to have faith in Jesus and ask to be saved, thereby expressing his faith, to be saved.
God has given us free will and He does not force us to do anything that we don't want to do.
you really are saying nothing changed from the old testament to the new.
I said that regarding salvation there is no difference. People were saved in Old Testament times the same way we are today. It's always been by Jesus.
Also, I apologize and need to correct myself. It's not Hebrews chapter 2 that lists faithful people from the Old Testament, but Hebrews chapter 11. I'll edit my previous comment to clarify that.
here is a bit of knowledge for you, testament means covenant.
I am aware but thank you.
so you just said there is no difference between the old covenant and the new covenant.
I didn't say that. However, there is only one difference between the two covenants.
"For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:" Hebrews 8:7-10
The content of both covenants was the same. The difference is that the Israelites presumptuously declared that they would keep the old covenant (Exodus 19:8). Predictably, they failed (Exodus 32:1-6), hence "for finding fault with them" and "because they continued not in my covenant" in the quoted passage above. In the new covenant, God promises to put his laws into the minds and hearts of his people.
Both covenants were made with Israel, that is to say with the Jews. However, God only considers someone to be a Jew if they accept Christ.
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Galatians 3:29
"For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God." Romans 2:28-29
Regarding your comment about bondage:
wow. you cant pull me into bondage just because you are not free.
I'm not putting you in bondage to anything. If you refuse to obey God's law, then you are in bondage to sin.
"Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." John 8:34-36
"Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." 1 John 3:4
Regarding your next point:
whatever man binds on earth, you are held to your own standard, hope you can live up to it.
Are you referring to this verse?
"And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven." Matthew 16:19
I don't see the relevance here to what we've been discussing. Respectfully, I'll assume you misquoted.
1 john 4 17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. 19 We love him, because he first loved us.
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH US, WE LOVE HIM BECAUSE HE LOVED US FIRST. NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND
Indeed. The only reason that anyone is motivated to do anything righteous is because of God.
"For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2:13
This means that both the faith that you have and the good works that you do are because of God. Specifically, it is Jesus working through the Holy Spirit, who dwells in you, to give you a character like His own.
Additionally, earlier in the book and chapter from which you quoted, it says the following:
"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." 1 John 4:7-8
In other words, love is the core of God's character and it originates from Him. Anyone else who has love ultimately derives it from God. With that in mind, read this:
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:8-10
If you love God then you will also obey Him. His commandments are founded on love.
"By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:2-3
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him." 1 John 2:1-5
"If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19
No, I'm not. Again, read John 8:34-36 and 1 John 3:4.
what are his commandments? to love.
Love is the fulfillment of the law. The Ten Commandments are based on love. If you break any of His commandments, you are not showing love. Again, read 1 John 5:2-3, 1 John 2:1-5, John 14:15, and Matthew 5:17-19.
the ten commandments is absolutely old testament. and no i am not under the old testament.
In John 5:39, Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." Jesus often quoted from and referred to the Old Testament in his teachings. Again, read Matthew 5:17-19.
see you said the thief on the cross had faith. but that wasnt your argument. your argument was that our actions had to follow. did the thiefs actions follow your roadmap? no he didnt he had faith.
James 2:17 says, "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
I don't know what you mean by "roadmap." The thief obviously had faith, and that faith led him to ask Jesus to remember him. Him asking was him acting on his faith.
yet you are here trying to take mine and follow you into bondage to my own efforts to please him.
Hebrews 11:6 says, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Now, read the rest of Hebrews 11. In it, Paul lists numerous Old Testament figures who God considered righteous because of their faith. With each one, he also describes how they showed their faith.
James 2:21-22 says, "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"
got a secret for you, he is already pleased with me because i was given his perfection.
Christians are covered with the righteousness of Jesus (Isaiah 61:10). However, this doesn't mean that you can continue in sin after coming to God and still expect to be in Heaven (Hebrews 10:26-27).
oh one last thing, the difference between the old testament and the new testament is easy, old testament your efforts at saving yourself, new testament is he was perfect for me.
That's essentially what I said in my last post.
you are very legalistic, look at all the law you are trying to get me under. is it the letter of the law or the spirit? if there is anything else required he will pay for me when he comes back. now if all your response is going to be to try to get me under the same bondage you are dont bother.
It's clear by your tone and words that you're unwilling to receive this truth. Since you regard the law of God as a burden, I won't waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. I'll pray for you. God bless.
I don't see how you got that out of my previous comments. Obeying the law of God is not legalism. Do you believe that unrepentant sinners will be in Heaven?
His good work was expressing his faith in Christ. Had he not acknowledged that Jesus is the Christ and asked for Him to remember him, he wouldn't have been saved.
To reiterate, Jesus saved him, but the thief had to have faith in Jesus and ask to be saved, thereby expressing his faith, to be saved.
God has given us free will and He does not force us to do anything that we don't want to do.
I said that regarding salvation there is no difference. People were saved in Old Testament times the same way we are today. It's always been by Jesus.
Also, I apologize and need to correct myself. It's not Hebrews chapter 2 that lists faithful people from the Old Testament, but Hebrews chapter 11. I'll edit my previous comment to clarify that.
I am aware but thank you.
I didn't say that. However, there is only one difference between the two covenants.
The content of both covenants was the same. The difference is that the Israelites presumptuously declared that they would keep the old covenant (Exodus 19:8). Predictably, they failed (Exodus 32:1-6), hence "for finding fault with them" and "because they continued not in my covenant" in the quoted passage above. In the new covenant, God promises to put his laws into the minds and hearts of his people.
Both covenants were made with Israel, that is to say with the Jews. However, God only considers someone to be a Jew if they accept Christ.
Regarding your comment about bondage:
I'm not putting you in bondage to anything. If you refuse to obey God's law, then you are in bondage to sin.
Regarding your next point:
Are you referring to this verse?
I don't see the relevance here to what we've been discussing. Respectfully, I'll assume you misquoted.
Indeed. The only reason that anyone is motivated to do anything righteous is because of God.
This means that both the faith that you have and the good works that you do are because of God. Specifically, it is Jesus working through the Holy Spirit, who dwells in you, to give you a character like His own.
Additionally, earlier in the book and chapter from which you quoted, it says the following:
In other words, love is the core of God's character and it originates from Him. Anyone else who has love ultimately derives it from God. With that in mind, read this:
If you love God then you will also obey Him. His commandments are founded on love.
The fact that you think that obeying God is legalism is worrying. I'd recommend you read this: https://www.gotquestions.org/antinomianism.html
No, I'm not. Again, read John 8:34-36 and 1 John 3:4.
Love is the fulfillment of the law. The Ten Commandments are based on love. If you break any of His commandments, you are not showing love. Again, read 1 John 5:2-3, 1 John 2:1-5, John 14:15, and Matthew 5:17-19.
In John 5:39, Jesus said, "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." Jesus often quoted from and referred to the Old Testament in his teachings. Again, read Matthew 5:17-19.
James 2:17 says, "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone."
I don't know what you mean by "roadmap." The thief obviously had faith, and that faith led him to ask Jesus to remember him. Him asking was him acting on his faith.
Hebrews 11:6 says, "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
Now, read the rest of Hebrews 11. In it, Paul lists numerous Old Testament figures who God considered righteous because of their faith. With each one, he also describes how they showed their faith.
James 2:21-22 says, "Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?"
Christians are covered with the righteousness of Jesus (Isaiah 61:10). However, this doesn't mean that you can continue in sin after coming to God and still expect to be in Heaven (Hebrews 10:26-27).
That's essentially what I said in my last post.
It's clear by your tone and words that you're unwilling to receive this truth. Since you regard the law of God as a burden, I won't waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. I'll pray for you. God bless.