Yes I've found the base symbols but those are common things that wouldn't look out of place on kids toys backpacks exc. So my thought is there has to be some key element that separates the pedo use of it, is it a certain color of blue or particular tilt or placement of them if they are using these to identify with each other they would put some key to separate from benign use of a common enough symbol I would think, maybee tied with a background color or particular placement on an item.just wonders if anyone has gone down that path or if I'm starting from scratch