Q post 25 says
John M (Some of us refuse to say his last name for a reason).
The rest of the name that is unsaid is cCain. Cain betrayed god and his brother by murdering his brother. Just thought that was interesting.
Q post 25 says
John M (Some of us refuse to say his last name for a reason).
The rest of the name that is unsaid is cCain. Cain betrayed god and his brother by murdering his brother. Just thought that was interesting.
Wanna get ignored real quick? Remind folks of the origin of the cursed Mark of Cain and the Curse of Ham.
Read St. Irenaeus of Lyon The Demonstration of Apostolic Preaching from before the Christian Fathers lost their nuts. IIRC paragraphs ... well hell, I’ll go get it.
And when they were put out of Paradise, Adam and his wife. Eve fell into many troubles of anxious grief, going about with sorrow and toil and lamentation in this world. For under the beams of this sun man tilled the earth, and it put forth thorns and thistles, the punishment of sin. Then was fulfilled that which was written: Adam knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain ; and after him she bare Abel. Now the apostate angel, who led man into disobedience and made him sinful and caused his expulsion from Paradise, not content with the first evil, wrought a second on the brothers; for filling Cain with his spirit he made him a fratricide. And so Abel died, slain by his brother; signifying thenceforth that certain should be persecuted and oppressed and slain, the unrighteous slaying and persecuting the righteous. And upon this God was angered yet more, and cursed Cain; and it came to pass that everyone of that race in successive generations was made like to the begetter. And God raised up another son to Adam, instead of Abel who was slain.
Now of these one fell under a curse, and the two (others) inherited a blessing by reason of their works. For the younger of them, [111] who was called Ham, having mocked his father, and having been condemned of the sin of impiety because of his outrage and unrighteousness against his father, received a curse; and all the posterity that came of him he involved in the curse; whence it came about that his whole race after him were accursed, and in sins they increased and multiplied. But Shem and Japheth, his brothers, because of their piety towards their father obtained a blessing. Now the curse of Ham, wherewith his father Noah cursed him, is this: Cursed be Ham the child; [112] a servant shall he be unto his brethren. This having come upon his race, he begat many descendants upon the earth, (even) for fourteen generations, growing up in a wild condition; and then his race was cut off by God, being delivered up to judgment. For the Canaanites and Hittites and Peresites and Hivites and Amorites and Jebusites and Gergasites and Sodomites, the Arabians also and the dwellers in Phoenicia, all the Egyptians and the Libyans, [113] are of the posterity of Ham, who have fallen under the curse; for the curse is of long duration over the ungodly. And even as the curse passed on, so also the blessing passed on to the race of him who was blessed, to each in his own order. For first of them was Shem blessed in these words:
love reading Bible passages like this, thanks for sharing. think it connects so much what is going on today. and obvious that's why so many 'people' don't want us reading it.
You really want your mind blown check what suras from Ishak says about Noah’s descendants
Not moderate Muslim friendly though
http://prophetofdoom.net/pdf/Prophet_of_Doom_03_I_Dont_Noah_Bout_This.pdf
No such thing as a “moderate Muslim.” You’re either a Muslim or you’re not.