You don't know that, no one said that. Quelle is a hypothetical document and Gospel of Thomas is nothing that new and has been questioned and studied thoroughly by Christian Origin Scientists. Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus' sayings." They are merely reconstructions of a text that may or may never have existed in the first place. I believe the jews talk of oral tradition may apply here as well. We just don't know.
I know that the Catholic Church is evil and always has been.
I know they preach the NT and and frighten you away from all other religious thought other than theirs. The NT is the MSM of its day. How do you think they controlled the masses before MSM?
If the Catholic Church says to do something, do the opposite.
If the Catholic Church says not to do something, do it.
Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus'
Reconstruction? The NT is a reconstruction. Whats your point.
What are Christian Origin Scientist? Do you mean Biblical Historians, Biblical Archeologist, Biblical Theologians???
You say, "We just don't know" yet in your first post you said that, "No, This is wrong."
No, biblical historians, archeologists, are not scientists and likewise have an agenda. Science is a process. We just don't know vs. he was wrong. I don't get your point. Is it a true account of Jesus' sayings or is it a reconstruction?
What is Christian Origination Science, Ive never heard of it.
That doesn't sound like they have a Christian agenda to you? It sounds like they have a Christian agenda to me.
Biblical Studies on the other hand, studies the bible, they could be Christian, Jewish , Islam, non-denominational, et al. The field draws on disciplines ranging from archaeology, ancient history, historical criticism, cultural anthropology, textual criticism, literary criticism, historical backgrounds, mythology, and comparative religion.
There is no such thing as Biblical Science. If you go to school for biblical studies you receive a Bachelor of Arts degree not a Bachelor of Science. They use the scientific method in the Biblical Study disciplines. Im guessing C.O.S. is some pseudo science on the fringes of scholarly pursuits of religious studies with an agenda. Again show me a web site for Christian Origination Science.
You said it was a reconstruction, not me. The Nag Hammadi Library is a least 200 years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls both are the oldest know example of the corresponding texts, Gnostic Text and the New Testament respectively. If there were any "reconstruction" of texts going on it was the D.S.S reconstructing the N.H.L. because the N.H.L. is much older therefore first based on archeological evidence. Gnosticism is older than Christianity.
So to answer your question straightly, The Gospel of Thomas is as true as the N.T. if not truer, because the Catholic Church tried to stomp Gnosticism out of existence, trying to hide the truth. The N.T. and the Catholic Church were created by the Flavian Dynasty and Josephus in order to control the masses.
As for the Q source, I suspect that it's the Sumerian texts. The Sumerians were the oldest civilization to date. Many of their histories have parallels with the OT and NT. Adam and Eve, Noah, Cain and Able, ect. you might even say the Bible is a reconstruction of the Sumerian texts, a very bad reconstruction.
you made a huge leap in faith as well as logic.
You don't know that, no one said that. Quelle is a hypothetical document and Gospel of Thomas is nothing that new and has been questioned and studied thoroughly by Christian Origin Scientists. Reconstructions are not the "True account of Jesus' sayings." They are merely reconstructions of a text that may or may never have existed in the first place. I believe the jews talk of oral tradition may apply here as well. We just don't know.
I know that the Catholic Church is evil and always has been.
I know they preach the NT and and frighten you away from all other religious thought other than theirs. The NT is the MSM of its day. How do you think they controlled the masses before MSM?
If the Catholic Church says to do something, do the opposite.
If the Catholic Church says not to do something, do it.
Reconstruction? The NT is a reconstruction. Whats your point.
What are Christian Origin Scientist? Do you mean Biblical Historians, Biblical Archeologist, Biblical Theologians???
You say, "We just don't know" yet in your first post you said that, "No, This is wrong."
No, biblical historians, archeologists, are not scientists and likewise have an agenda. Science is a process. We just don't know vs. he was wrong. I don't get your point. Is it a true account of Jesus' sayings or is it a reconstruction?
What is Christian Origination Science, Ive never heard of it.
That doesn't sound like they have a Christian agenda to you? It sounds like they have a Christian agenda to me.
Biblical Studies on the other hand, studies the bible, they could be Christian, Jewish , Islam, non-denominational, et al. The field draws on disciplines ranging from archaeology, ancient history, historical criticism, cultural anthropology, textual criticism, literary criticism, historical backgrounds, mythology, and comparative religion.
There is no such thing as Biblical Science. If you go to school for biblical studies you receive a Bachelor of Arts degree not a Bachelor of Science. They use the scientific method in the Biblical Study disciplines. Im guessing C.O.S. is some pseudo science on the fringes of scholarly pursuits of religious studies with an agenda. Again show me a web site for Christian Origination Science.
You said it was a reconstruction, not me. The Nag Hammadi Library is a least 200 years older than the Dead Sea Scrolls both are the oldest know example of the corresponding texts, Gnostic Text and the New Testament respectively. If there were any "reconstruction" of texts going on it was the D.S.S reconstructing the N.H.L. because the N.H.L. is much older therefore first based on archeological evidence. Gnosticism is older than Christianity.
So to answer your question straightly, The Gospel of Thomas is as true as the N.T. if not truer, because the Catholic Church tried to stomp Gnosticism out of existence, trying to hide the truth. The N.T. and the Catholic Church were created by the Flavian Dynasty and Josephus in order to control the masses.
As for the Q source, I suspect that it's the Sumerian texts. The Sumerians were the oldest civilization to date. Many of their histories have parallels with the OT and NT. Adam and Eve, Noah, Cain and Able, ect. you might even say the Bible is a reconstruction of the Sumerian texts, a very bad reconstruction.
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/17358
I suspect the Q source is from outer space.
https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Outer-Space-Earliest-Christians/dp/1634311949
sorry for the downvote but just wanted to say, I dig your knowledgebase.