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Wouldn’t it be strange if all the ‘propaganda’ about Hitler was MSM lies and he was actually a god loving nationalist making his country great and kicking out the Central Banks. That would probably be enough to anger the DS.
If you remove the "genocidal intent" and focus on how their system operated to the common people, there is actually a pretty solid argument to make.
General reactions to Hitler / nazi germany are strongly programmed in most people, makes most discussion as neo-Nazi or antisemitic as default. Trump's name will be similarly smeared if the plan truly fails.
Glad you added the /s.
I'm not so sure the killing millions is as much a feature of the nazi politics as communism has the feature that millions die under it because of how it will always fail from entropy.
Not really. It was called socialism, but operated more in the sense that company profits were more socialized. It was explicitly antagonistic to communism.
Simply, results wise does not compare with any other "socialism" that we think of that is more communism light.
I mean if you don't want to be called a Nazi, don't unironically praise the Nazis.
This isn't hard.
Just because Communism is evil, and just because the West has been infiltrated by Communists... doesn't make Nazism good.
It's one of the most incredible idiot-takes I've ever seen. "Hitler was anti-communist so he was good."
No.
Evil can fight evil, and that does not make it good.
Calling me nazi is an easy out (ironically one of the first comments I made on the topic included that note).
My overall argument was that if you remove the "genocidal agenda" from nazi germany and focus on their system as a typical citizen, there are solid arguments to be made as to how the nation performed as well as it did in such a short period.
Not quite high praise.
That isn't because of programming as much as because most literal nazis (the kinds that wank to hitler and shit) usually take a really mild opening approach and only open up on you slowly. They'll start with "Hmm, there sure are a lot of jews in positions of power, aren't there?" and "Well, what if hitler was smeared by the globalists?" or the likes.
Questioning the narrative is in and of itself not inherently bad, but many of us have had enough arguments with the more extreme folk to react pretty harshly to what appears to be their doings.
Here's a comparison: How would you react if someone started musing about Putin's relationship with Trump, like such: "Putin seemed to like having Trump in office, and Trump seemed to like Putin a lot... Then there's Trump's calls with Ukraine..."? You'd sniff out a "blueanon" right away, and you'd probably kick in to curb and cull their arguments before they even start.
Anyway. Nazi Germany's system was not good for the typical citizen. Hitler couldn't be voted out if he wasn't performing well. There were no guarantees that you could avoid spontaneous arrest or "disappearing".
Really, when you remove region, Nazism was remarkably similar to most implementations of socialism/communism. Given that they're all a sham by a despot (or group of despots), of course they'll wear different paints, and of course they'll hate each other's guts. It's hard to say what the long term layout of Nazi Germany would have been had no wars been declared; many of the famines and the likes that are so characteristic of communist regimes either started prior to initial founding or many years into the governing.
In general, short term growths and booms are not totally difficult to trigger. Sustainability is a much greater factor at determining governmental efficacy, and, given a lot of the German economy growth went into fueling a war machine, it is possible if not probable that Germany's economy under Nazism would not have been sustainable.
Finally, even removing the genocidal component, you still have a highly militarist component that involves picking fights and feeding your populace to the carnage. That, too, is not particularly good for the typical citizen.
It is interesting and good to discuss this nonetheless. I would recommend a different approach to the subject down the line, should you seek to open discussion. Questioning specific things like "the economics of Hitler's Germany" or the likes tends to be clearer and avoid an aggressive reaction!
I appreciate the answer, I'm really not arguing pro-nazi (believe it or not, I was from voat before they shut down so I understand the arguments and am not necessarily antagonistic to their views. It requires nuanced discussion.) I do KNOW the programming is real because I had the same visceral reaction, not a logical one.
I would approach that Putin argument as noting that Putin had a preference for Hilary and demonstrate that. Tldr; the Russian view was that Clinton was more compromised.
While you do make a series of valid points, actually the main points why my position is not pro-nazi system is that it DOES lend itself to tyrannical rule, BUT you also have to consider that Hitler was widely popular and viewed as a war hero. The German people at the time also believed that they were under a form of economic siege warfare.
The one element where I do believe that (US and Canada) needs a bit of a stronger militarist approach is that people have grown soft because of the social safety net. There is a good chunk of the adult population that has some serious growing up to do. There are of course disappearances that occur in the US. Especially since the patriot act.
If you talk to people who had families in germany at the time, not all of them will have a negative view of Hitlers rule. I'm at the point where I will probably be reaching beyond my knowledge, so, bottom line is that the reality of the situation has been perverted to where even "honest discussion" becomes a matter of "which version of truth" do you ascribe. A sad state in that we are not even talking a full century ago.
I totally see what you're saying and wasn't accusing you of being pro-nazi, just explaining why a lot of people that aren't programmed still get the visceral reaction.
I actually think we need less militarism right now. Putting some kind of boot down to make them "toughen up" will probably just cause resistance and self-destruction. I think instead, we need to just cut off the corrupt entities from influencing them and give them a taste of real freedom, real liberty, and the responsibilities that are accompanying (in other words, justice). Given their own eyes and ears back, and a wide world of opportunity and responsibility, I think many will find their way and return to resilience.
Glad to discuss these things!
I don't believe that is accurate.
Think of human nature for a moment. Walk this one through.
There's information missing.
The Nazi system was built for short term success - plunder will create wealth in the short term, even if it fails over time.
That doesn't make it worth emulating.
I'm struggling to find any support for the tax rate claim, the closest I could find was a 50% tax rate that applied to the top 4% of earners, and that was during the war.
THIS is what I was referring to when I mentioned the need to dispel the rumours, the revisionism, and the programmed responses to the topic.
Otherwise it is little different from "orange man bad" aside from a body count from Nazi era germany.
Well funny you say...
If the ''EVIL NAZI's'' where infact the evil that was destroyed in ww1 and ww2 then why does the evil mother fucking globalists have so much momentum and powers? With some deductive reasoning I can conclude that perhaps maybe, just maybe the bad guys won the war using the weaponized media to bamboozle the world . Also is it ironic that EVERY claimed gas chamber was on the soviet communist side of the Iron curtain? did you know we did not hear a peep about the holocaust till a year after the war? think about that. then all the gas chambers a year later shown to us? no one was alloud to look for that long why? am i an ass hole for pointing this out? you see they pull world wide lies, why couldnt this also be the same tactics? ''We defeated the wrong enemy'' -General George S. Patton
As someone who has watched the holocaust footage, I don't for a moment doubt it was real.
Just because Germany was evil didn't make the USSR any less evil.
The only problem was that we stopped.
^^^ 1.) Yes 2.) Yes 3.) Yes
What footage?
I'd have to go find it, but I watched old army archival footage from when they started entering camps and finding the inmates - and I have never seen anyone so closely resemble the walking dead before, starved to the point that they cannot move their own bodies.
What the Nazis did was indefensible and people trying to make these radioactive hot takes about how 'hitler did nothing wrong' or 'muh jews' is just tainting every other issue we try and address - some pedes happen to be Jewish, as a matter of fact.
Only the idiot left thinks in racial terms, and any time you play their game, you already lost.
"did you know we did not hear a peep about the holocaust till a year after the war?"
Charlie Company anyone? 355 Infantry - Ohrdruf?
"At Ohrdruf, the regiment and elements of the 4th Armored Division captured the largest concentration camp liberated by American forces up to that time."
How is this A) 1 year after the war and B) the soviet side of the iron curtain?
They were not destroyed. Odessa
Yup yup. My readings as of late have really solidified this for me.
It's probably not for everyone, but this documentary in the subject is interesting.
One Third of the Holocaust
https://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1001&play=101#watch
Umm, correct me if wrong, but wasn't that guy killed for the stunt?
I would assume so.
I wouldn't even be among that crowd to begin with.
Great idea
I am. People are confused and/or angry at me typically for daring to not follow the collectivist herd in the supposedly highly individualistic, independent, free-thinking America where free speech is the primary pillar of our entire society.
Operation paperclip is why we are were we are now since 1947 everything they did in Germany came here Thank you Heir Prescott Busch and Family and Created the fake state all for the Bankers to keep control!! We see you GEORGE want to play a game!! Back to the future BIFF knows your fucked!!
I am ;-)
What ever happened to the Godwin Rule??? 12 years ago on Seller Central, that was brought up really often... I guess 2020 convinced us otherwise..
Yup
agree. i was just scroll through my saved memes.