It's a Republic and our voting system is "democratic" ("little D").
But yeah, folks say "Our Democracy" because they are liars and scoundrels trying to drag our glorious Republic beneath the waves. Fuck those people forever. In the case of "oceanside13" I don't think that is what he/she meant.
In 1787, anxious citizens awaited outside Independence Hall to hear the results of the constitutional convention. As the delegates left the building, a woman in the crowd asked , ''well,Doctor, what have we got?'' ...Without hesitation , Franklin replied, ''A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT ! ''
"Democratic" is an adjective, here. Which stands in contrast to a government by the Aristos, the Aristocracy. This is what I mean in the prior posts that we are "little D democratic".
We have a Republic. It is a Federal Republic with checks and balances that is designed to limit power in just about every way (across, up, down, etc.). In fact it is the most perfect ever formed, and I marvel at the intelligence that was employed in creating it. The system enables us to soar as individuals, yet that same system thwarts those who would enslave us. Truly amazing, and I stand in awe of the wisdom of our Founders.
Our Founders hated the idea of a Democracy, because they rightly knew that all Democracies throughout history have failed. Athens, for example. Our founders were very familiar with the histories of Athens and the other Democracies. All perished in fire of their own making.
Sic semper tyrannis.
However, our Republic is a participatory form of Republic, where the populace votes (for the Electors in the Electoral College, in the case of a President, for example). Voters vote for everything from dog catcher up to POTUS. The word in Greek for the Populace is Demos. Therefore, a government by the people, for the people, is therefore always "democratic". But is not per force a Democracy. We therefore here have a Federal Republic with democratic voting/participation (e.g. it is "democratic"), not a Democracy.
And yes, tyrants are scum. Liars are scum. Not American.
The Greeks had no constitutional oversight. They had a democratic system.
The moment that constitution comes into view and majority SCOTUS decisions are measured against that constitution, to make sure they have their principles straight, it is a republic.
The term republic comes into force, when there is a constitution, capping the rights of the more common in erasing the rights of the less common.
You can try to pretend there can be more to it, but the moment those constitutions come into play, limiting the rights of the majority, it's no longer democracy.
Even if you and every member of SCOTUS can't think of the REAL WORD, it's a representative republican model.
Not a representative democracy model, it has become a representative republic model.
Not maybe.
I know your temptation is to say ''Wayle, fellur, yew jist ain't a lawy fellur, cause smart fellurs frum the guvurmint done to have sed.''
Fantsy fellurs from the guvurmint done to have sed their ain't no voter fraud and besides, there's no standing. Almost every one of them smart fellurs.
They're lying.
Every word they're saying is a calculated lie to manipulate, and mis-represent reality in your face, daring you
to say otherwise.
Fantsy guvurmint fellers with college educations in knowing
who's criminal or not, has done sed cause you come here,
you're the most likely person to look at
if there's any widespread burning, terroristic killings, lootings, and general purpose violent terroristic attacks on strangers.
Are you a terrorist cause everybody in the FBI and Homeland Security agrees you're one? No?
Well, the moment that constitution comes into play, the word democracy is gone, and it's a representative republic,
not a representative democracy.
Definitionally so. You looked up the definition of one, go look up the definition of the other.
Presence of a small c constitution, protecting rights from the majority,
makes it a small r republican model,
not a small d democratic model.
That's how you know. ''Is this a democracy, or a republic?''
''Is there a constitution that the majority can't erase the rights of the minority?''
''No?'' Then it's a democracy like the Greeks had.
"Yes,'' then it's a constitutional republic, like the Europeans invented.
And republics have representative voting.
It's why they're called, ''representative republics.''
All that other stuff is just manipulators, trying to evade having to admit it.
I realize I'm coming across as this inflexible troll, and I apologize for that, but it's a great example of people simply creating FAKE language, out of something that's whole cloth.
When the small c constitution,
supplants ''whoever buys the biggest mob,''
and both aristocrats and common class proles are subject to the same,
superceding law built specifically to protect the less common from the more common or the more sophisticated - it's a representative republic.
The Greeks had a democratic answer to aristocracy.
Europeans invented the republican answer to both.
This is a very good example of the very fabric of your legal system simply being hijacked, with this ''democracy, democracy'' bullshit.
When a big mob of Shia move into a town in Iraq, the majority decides that now we're all gonna obey Shia law. All you Sunni now go to the backs of buses, etc.
But everybody votes it's just the majority is obvious.
That is a representative democracy.
The Confederacy had a representative democracy. Biggest mob did what they wanted, everybody else could do what they wanted, as long as they didn't get in the way of the biggest mob doing what they wanted.
The United States, from President to dog catcher, is a republic. The dog catcher can't come kill your dog, because you're an Episcopalian, and that's just too bad, because everybody in this town, isn't Episcopalian.
The dog catcher has to obey that republic's constitution.
So for the past few months this has been one of my pet peeves about people not even being allowed to make the proper distinctions because it's just silly to use truthful words about things.
No, TYRANTS are pretending the CONSTITUTION isn't the boss, the biggest criminal gang is.
So that's my story, and until pressured to cave in, I'm sticking to it.
It's "both". Sort of.
It's a Republic and our voting system is "democratic" ("little D").
But yeah, folks say "Our Democracy" because they are liars and scoundrels trying to drag our glorious Republic beneath the waves. Fuck those people forever. In the case of "oceanside13" I don't think that is what he/she meant.
In 1787, anxious citizens awaited outside Independence Hall to hear the results of the constitutional convention. As the delegates left the building, a woman in the crowd asked , ''well,Doctor, what have we got?'' ...Without hesitation , Franklin replied, ''A REPUBLIC, IF YOU CAN KEEP IT ! ''
Yes, one of my favorite stories. I think it might even be true. Franklin was such a badass. Love him.
But the idea that our voting or even our voting system is "democratic" is also true.
Demos = of the populace.
As opposed to an Aristocratic system, etc.
What we are not is a "Big D Democracy", like these assholes (basically every Democrat and most of the "Republicans") claim.
Shut your dirty mouth, to anyone who claims we are a Democracy. We are a Republic, and yes we intend to keep it.
No, it's not. This is not a Democratic system it's a Federal Republic.
End of story. It's over. Anyone who told you otherwise is lying, slavery, child molester party criminal scum.
"Democratic" is an adjective, here. Which stands in contrast to a government by the Aristos, the Aristocracy. This is what I mean in the prior posts that we are "little D democratic".
We have a Republic. It is a Federal Republic with checks and balances that is designed to limit power in just about every way (across, up, down, etc.). In fact it is the most perfect ever formed, and I marvel at the intelligence that was employed in creating it. The system enables us to soar as individuals, yet that same system thwarts those who would enslave us. Truly amazing, and I stand in awe of the wisdom of our Founders.
Our Founders hated the idea of a Democracy, because they rightly knew that all Democracies throughout history have failed. Athens, for example. Our founders were very familiar with the histories of Athens and the other Democracies. All perished in fire of their own making.
Sic semper tyrannis.
However, our Republic is a participatory form of Republic, where the populace votes (for the Electors in the Electoral College, in the case of a President, for example). Voters vote for everything from dog catcher up to POTUS. The word in Greek for the Populace is Demos. Therefore, a government by the people, for the people, is therefore always "democratic". But is not per force a Democracy. We therefore here have a Federal Republic with democratic voting/participation (e.g. it is "democratic"), not a Democracy.
And yes, tyrants are scum. Liars are scum. Not American.
E Pluribus, UNUM.
And So Say All of Us.
The Greeks had no constitutional oversight. They had a democratic system.
The moment that constitution comes into view and majority SCOTUS decisions are measured against that constitution, to make sure they have their principles straight, it is a republic.
The term republic comes into force, when there is a constitution, capping the rights of the more common in erasing the rights of the less common.
You can try to pretend there can be more to it, but the moment those constitutions come into play, limiting the rights of the majority, it's no longer democracy.
Even if you and every member of SCOTUS can't think of the REAL WORD, it's a representative republican model.
Not a representative democracy model, it has become a representative republic model.
Not maybe.
I know your temptation is to say ''Wayle, fellur, yew jist ain't a lawy fellur, cause smart fellurs frum the guvurmint done to have sed.''
Fantsy fellurs from the guvurmint done to have sed their ain't no voter fraud and besides, there's no standing. Almost every one of them smart fellurs.
They're lying.
Every word they're saying is a calculated lie to manipulate, and mis-represent reality in your face, daring you
to say otherwise.
Fantsy guvurmint fellers with college educations in knowing
who's criminal or not, has done sed cause you come here,
you're the most likely person to look at
if there's any widespread burning, terroristic killings, lootings, and general purpose violent terroristic attacks on strangers.
Are you a terrorist cause everybody in the FBI and Homeland Security agrees you're one? No?
Well, the moment that constitution comes into play, the word democracy is gone, and it's a representative republic,
not a representative democracy.
Definitionally so. You looked up the definition of one, go look up the definition of the other.
Presence of a small c constitution, protecting rights from the majority, makes it a small r republican model, not a small d democratic model.
That's how you know. ''Is this a democracy, or a republic?''
''Is there a constitution that the majority can't erase the rights of the minority?''
''No?'' Then it's a democracy like the Greeks had.
"Yes,'' then it's a constitutional republic, like the Europeans invented. And republics have representative voting. It's why they're called, ''representative republics.''
All that other stuff is just manipulators, trying to evade having to admit it.
I realize I'm coming across as this inflexible troll, and I apologize for that, but it's a great example of people simply creating FAKE language, out of something that's whole cloth.
When the small c constitution, supplants ''whoever buys the biggest mob,'' and both aristocrats and common class proles are subject to the same, superceding law built specifically to protect the less common from the more common or the more sophisticated - it's a representative republic.
The Greeks had a democratic answer to aristocracy.
Europeans invented the republican answer to both.
This is a very good example of the very fabric of your legal system simply being hijacked, with this ''democracy, democracy'' bullshit.
When a big mob of Shia move into a town in Iraq, the majority decides that now we're all gonna obey Shia law. All you Sunni now go to the backs of buses, etc.
But everybody votes it's just the majority is obvious.
That is a representative democracy.
The Confederacy had a representative democracy. Biggest mob did what they wanted, everybody else could do what they wanted, as long as they didn't get in the way of the biggest mob doing what they wanted.
The United States, from President to dog catcher, is a republic. The dog catcher can't come kill your dog, because you're an Episcopalian, and that's just too bad, because everybody in this town, isn't Episcopalian.
The dog catcher has to obey that republic's constitution.
So for the past few months this has been one of my pet peeves about people not even being allowed to make the proper distinctions because it's just silly to use truthful words about things.
No, TYRANTS are pretending the CONSTITUTION isn't the boss, the biggest criminal gang is.
So that's my story, and until pressured to cave in, I'm sticking to it.