If white hats made the vaccines then why do we have women with major fertility-related side effects and all types of people with major blood clot issues? Sorry but assuming that J&J, Pfizer and Moderna are somehow white hats is just laughable to me. These companies are part of the chemical cabal that rules pretty much every other industry on the planet. I recommend reading about the history of IG Farben and the shell games they played post-WW2 before you start giving them any humanitarian credit whatsoever. Sure, there might be a lot of good scientists working for these chemical giants, but they aren't the decision makers.
I hear your point, and in this world of various bad actors it’s understandable, maybe plausible, however their are serious holes in the argument. I haven’t read those books, but thanks for the the suggestion I will check out. For now, I’d like to focus on the topic you brought up, the infertility as well as blood clot adverse events. Are we talking rates of .00001% or are we talking 10%? It’s important to lay these facts so they can be judged.
While it’s devastating to have side effects, we wouldn’t have eradicated diseases like polio without vaccines- so yeah, I do believe they can cause some really fucked up AEs, but overall they help to obliterate really bad diseases. The majority of doctors agree. Generally speaking, right? Take w a grain of salt. There are always outlier vaccines that have long-term issues, but weren’t necessarily nefariously designed as lawyers would have us all believe...
So if we are going to use factoids about blood clots & JnJ vax, let’s talk about the real facts. Do you remember the original story on JnJ Vax? it was 6 in 6 million (don’t quote me on this but it was something similar)... all the anti-vax people saying why do I need a vaccine if Covid has a survival rate of 99.99% (25 year old rate) are now the same statistical experts who say I’m not touching something with a .000001 chance of getting a blood clot? The death rate for 85 year olds is pretty high (as high as 15%? I think), so imagine them weighing that decision vs the 25 year old. Add distrust for pharma industry and general distrust of gov’t (for right reasons), and we have a shitshow:
people who won’t take the vaccine and a continuation of Covid (reduced herd immunity)... This leads to yearly vaccines, which leads to more profit. If everyone got the jab, I’m not sure there would be anything left to fight off...
And here lies the issue. The 60,70,and 80 year olds don’t really have an option... their hand is forced by the data, death rates assoc. w Covid. Math tells us the risk of the blood clot for them is lower than the risk of dying from Covid. Those who claim” I had Covid last year or earlier this year and have antibodies” typically aren’t medical doctors- they feel safe but do we don’t know for sure if antibodies are indefinitely? Think Spanish flu, 1st wave light, people had antibodies, second wave was really much more severe.
So when we talk about rare side effects, we have to look at the big picture and not just assume they are trying to poison us. B/c for every tragedy of an infertility there are tens of thousands of people not on respirators and not dying a terrible lonely death in a hospital.
"While it's devastating to have side effects, we wouldn't have eradicated diseases like polio without vaccines"
Let me stop you right there. This is false, and it makes the rest of your words practically meaningless because everything else you're going on about is essentially based on this opinion of medicine. John McKinlay predicted that pharma would take credit for eradicating childhood diseases way back in 1977, and guess what, they did! Deaths from childhood diseases started declining PRIOR to vaccinations, and it was due to better hygiene practices and large populations centers getting sanitation under control.
You might also want to look into symptoms of polio and symptoms of exposure to DDT. Once we stopped spraying children with DDT, polio all but disappeared. If I wasn't at work and expected to get things done, I'd link you an article to that as well, but you can easily find it with a search I'm sure.
I think we know a lot more about viruses and the immune system than we do about the vaccine particularly as it relates to the longevity of immunity. Never has herd-immunity been dictated by vaccine compliance. Natural immunity has to be part of the discussion.. Even the NIH admits that those who have recovered from Covid have long lasting immunity.
If white hats made the vaccines then why do we have women with major fertility-related side effects and all types of people with major blood clot issues? Sorry but assuming that J&J, Pfizer and Moderna are somehow white hats is just laughable to me. These companies are part of the chemical cabal that rules pretty much every other industry on the planet. I recommend reading about the history of IG Farben and the shell games they played post-WW2 before you start giving them any humanitarian credit whatsoever. Sure, there might be a lot of good scientists working for these chemical giants, but they aren't the decision makers.
I hear your point, and in this world of various bad actors it’s understandable, maybe plausible, however their are serious holes in the argument. I haven’t read those books, but thanks for the the suggestion I will check out. For now, I’d like to focus on the topic you brought up, the infertility as well as blood clot adverse events. Are we talking rates of .00001% or are we talking 10%? It’s important to lay these facts so they can be judged.
While it’s devastating to have side effects, we wouldn’t have eradicated diseases like polio without vaccines- so yeah, I do believe they can cause some really fucked up AEs, but overall they help to obliterate really bad diseases. The majority of doctors agree. Generally speaking, right? Take w a grain of salt. There are always outlier vaccines that have long-term issues, but weren’t necessarily nefariously designed as lawyers would have us all believe...
So if we are going to use factoids about blood clots & JnJ vax, let’s talk about the real facts. Do you remember the original story on JnJ Vax? it was 6 in 6 million (don’t quote me on this but it was something similar)... all the anti-vax people saying why do I need a vaccine if Covid has a survival rate of 99.99% (25 year old rate) are now the same statistical experts who say I’m not touching something with a .000001 chance of getting a blood clot? The death rate for 85 year olds is pretty high (as high as 15%? I think), so imagine them weighing that decision vs the 25 year old. Add distrust for pharma industry and general distrust of gov’t (for right reasons), and we have a shitshow: people who won’t take the vaccine and a continuation of Covid (reduced herd immunity)... This leads to yearly vaccines, which leads to more profit. If everyone got the jab, I’m not sure there would be anything left to fight off...
And here lies the issue. The 60,70,and 80 year olds don’t really have an option... their hand is forced by the data, death rates assoc. w Covid. Math tells us the risk of the blood clot for them is lower than the risk of dying from Covid. Those who claim” I had Covid last year or earlier this year and have antibodies” typically aren’t medical doctors- they feel safe but do we don’t know for sure if antibodies are indefinitely? Think Spanish flu, 1st wave light, people had antibodies, second wave was really much more severe.
So when we talk about rare side effects, we have to look at the big picture and not just assume they are trying to poison us. B/c for every tragedy of an infertility there are tens of thousands of people not on respirators and not dying a terrible lonely death in a hospital.
"While it's devastating to have side effects, we wouldn't have eradicated diseases like polio without vaccines"
Let me stop you right there. This is false, and it makes the rest of your words practically meaningless because everything else you're going on about is essentially based on this opinion of medicine. John McKinlay predicted that pharma would take credit for eradicating childhood diseases way back in 1977, and guess what, they did! Deaths from childhood diseases started declining PRIOR to vaccinations, and it was due to better hygiene practices and large populations centers getting sanitation under control.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/child-health-topics/false-narratives/deaths-from-childhood-diseases-were-declining-before-vaccines/
You might also want to look into symptoms of polio and symptoms of exposure to DDT. Once we stopped spraying children with DDT, polio all but disappeared. If I wasn't at work and expected to get things done, I'd link you an article to that as well, but you can easily find it with a search I'm sure.
I think we know a lot more about viruses and the immune system than we do about the vaccine particularly as it relates to the longevity of immunity. Never has herd-immunity been dictated by vaccine compliance. Natural immunity has to be part of the discussion.. Even the NIH admits that those who have recovered from Covid have long lasting immunity.
The REAL History of Polio – 20 Things You Didn’t Know
https://realnewsaustralia.com/2019/02/27/the-real-history-of-polio-20-things-you-didnt-know/