“Just because they had socialist in their name” That’s the whole of it, her entire argument, verbatim. I honestly don’t know what to do with her. The sad part is she only became political in 2016, and since then has turned into a filthy commie. I guess I need to thank her because my journey to unravel her false reality led me here.
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The problem with this entire portion of the thread, from my perspective, is that it's all arguing semantics over the idea of bad and possibly good totalitarianism when what should be fully realized by everyone is that no human should have or can handle that kind of power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely and no matter how Hitler or anyone else started off, they were absolutely corrupted. Jesus is King, none other. No worldly government, no matter how well designed or intentioned, will stand forever. All Nations eventually fall.
I agree that whenever Nazi's, socialists and communists are discussed people get so caught up in semantics that they can't focus on actual reality and the events that transpired.
Question: what were things in Germany like before Hitler came to power, and what changed after? I am talking pre-war. Why did the German people love him? It wasn't because they were all rotten socialists. Would the average German at the time say that Hitler improved the nation?
Hitler's policies may have achieved short term good but they caused long term ruin.
Those seem like unanswerable questions since history is changing every moment lately depending on who examines it. Still, I think what you're getting at is the idea that people looked to Hitler as a helper to improve their lot and those standing even after the horrors might have found themselves better off. This only supports the point that it is the human government that's the problem. The seeking of power itself here in the domain of the devil. The Devil himself showed Jesus every kingdom in this world and offered it to Him to rule... because they're his to offer. The battle is here, and then again it is not. Less overall government in general, less regulation, and more personal relationships with Christ, are the only true answers. Think of it, Christians, true followers of Christ, are told to bow to no earthly government (bow only to Him), we are told we live freely and forever forgiven outside of even the Mosaic law. We are able to live without guilt or shame. Sounds nihilistic doesn't it? But in general most Christians live orderly, quiet, peace seeking lives. Why? We acknowledge we are sinners no better than any other. We tell ourselves of our failure to live up to intention and law daily as we bring repentances to Christ. We know our own weakness and poor ways. And we know the greatest and most powerful being in any Universe loves us anyway. That as we follow Him, He shows us ways life can be joy, satisfaction, and wonder, all in ways that look to the world like quiet, boring, underwhelming. It is the true secret of The Way.
I agree with MamaChipmunk.
Totalitarianism is Totalitarianism.
It’s a dangerous gambit to say you want it for X amount of years because it won’t just go away after the time is up. It’s the same as Communism in that regard. You vote into Totalitarianism but you have to shoot your way out. You may agree with the Nationalist standpoint of it (the purging of illegals, the execution of traitors, etc), but what happens when they start to do things that you don’t agree with, or worse, they declare us traitors in the eyes of the regime?