Shedding is a thing for real vaccines, because real vaccines are made of real viruses (some). So its not so much "shedding" but just normal transmission of the virus that was injected as a vaccine.
The spike protein is a transmembrane protein. It can't exist (at least not in its normal shape) outside of the membrane it is built into. It also doesn't just leave the membrane. Is it possible some part of it is being cut off and floating around? Maybe, but the interface with the ACE2 protein is a 3D structure that requires the whole protein to interact (probably). There is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening, and no biological process by which it can.
And if these miracle proteins DID happen to get free of their membrane jail and remained intact (both impossible), there is no path out of the lumen, into the bloodstream, then out of the body, then into another body, then into their blood, then into the lumen of some tissue that just so happens to express the ACE2 protein...
Its like, 10 steps of impossibility. It ain't happenen.
What is likely happening is a pheromone response, just like has happened with menstruation for all of human history. Since all stories of "spike protein shedding" are also stories of menstruation, that is a fairly likely scenario.
I don't know about the Frontline doctors talking about shedding specifically. Do you mean that group of five doctors that spoke about it? I didn't watch the whole thing. I only saw about 15 minutes of it. Once someone starts getting the biology wrong I tend to stop listening.
Doctors are not biologists. People (who aren't biologists or doctors) don't realize that. Don't get me wrong, some are, but in general, unless they are a specialist that requires specific knowledge in cell biology (oncologist e.g.) or they are also a researcher (MD PhD) they generally don't have any training past junior year undergrad in cell biology with a minimal refresher in their MD. They focus on anatomy, disease, trauma, etc. The actual biology is not a focus of study, so they often get things wrong (its a very complicated subject).
So if those doctors said other good things after the first 15 minutes I didn't hear it. Regardless, I have yet to hear a viable path by which these vaccines can be "shedding", and a whole mess of paths that get basic cell and molecular biology wrong in the explanation.
Let me give you an example of a possible path by which "shedding" could happen. I still think it is almost certainly a pheromone response, just because it fits the anecdotal data I have seen, but I will indulge the idea for a second.
Transmembrane proteins (like the spike protein) can be cut by enzymes that are outside the cell designed for that purpose. This can cause a part of the protein that is on the exterior to be cut off. This part can possibly go off and be a signal for some other cell. It loses all its tertiary structure, but it retains its secondary structure and that can potentially be a signal elsewhere.
The problem that I have with that idea is, generally such long range peptide signals are very specific (a part of the bodies normal function, designed through eons of evolution).
This is a novel protein (we've never encountered it before biologically) so there is no reason we should have pathways that would use a small part of this protein as a signal. The key here is that such a signal is only a signal in its secondary structure. The tertiary structure requires the whole protein to remain intact. You can think of these two different structures as being like 2D v. 3D. Its not quite that way, but it might give an idea. The tertiary structure comes from a bunch of different parts of the protein that are not immediately connected sequentially, but come together when its all folded up (like origami). It is this tertiary structure that acts as a signal with the ACE2 protein. Once it gets cut off and starts floating around (hypothetically) it looks completely different. It will never have that 3D structure again because parts no longer are there when it gets cut (they are sequentially far away even though they were close in the folded structure).
So even if these little pieces of the protein got away, and somehow went into the blood (not actually that easy, but not impossible) and then somehow got out of the body and transferred to another person, and somehow made it into a tissue in that person that expressed an ACE2 protein, it would still almost certainly be insufficient to make a connection.
I just can't come up with a biological basis by how a novel transmembrane protein could be "shedding" and having an effect, even hypothetically.
Now, biology is very complicated, and I don't know everything (we don't know shit relative to what there is still left to learn about biology), so perhaps there is some path, but if there is, it would at a minimum need to fit in with what we do know, and I have yet to hear anything that does.
This is a welcome and really quality contribution to this vexing subject. Thank you.
As others have indicated, it is a topic that is causing a lot of genuine concern among families. Especially those with children and grandparents, the grandparents are often the first to have gotten these experimental gene treatments who believe they are being saved.
It adds a order of magnitude of complication similar to the fog of war of 2020 early coverage and events - Up to this point, the primary concern was untested injections would kill or main a loved one due to the genetic intrusion, and also the wider societal effects as it expressed through the population. Starting with medical people, you might start to suspect it was a strategic takedown of the people who are usually in WAR (Geneva convention) not to be targeted on the battlefield. It is as if the rules of WAR have been inverted to achieve maximum destruction and casualty by entering the blindspot of your enemy.
It is also as if we are faced with a WWG1WGA diabolical inversion, a nightmare doomsday scenario, so it has more than a dose of the horror movie plot as things did early on in 2020 before the Virus was coronated King of the world. The style and effect is a good indicator it most certainly could be high quality psychological terror.
Firstly, yes, of course it could be an insidiously clever psychological-war tactic to divide even more, particularly families. It would actually be good if it turned out to be nothing more than this because the implication of transmission are far far worse.
In summary - It has some value and purpose and it up to use to discover that truth lies. Then for the sake of argument, let us assume it is a potentially real thing because that is the worse case scenario and it needs to be given serious attention - So what could be going on?
**2 questions that seem to be the most important are: **
WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING TO THOSE WHO REPORT SIDE EFFECTS WHEN IN CLOSE PROXIMITY/INTIMACY) TO THE RECENTLY "VACCINATED":
Is it a case of mass-group hysteria, correlation does not imply causation with a heavy mis-application of confirmation bias?
Are we too focused on the spike protein to see it may be some other unknown ingredient/s in the vials, that is spreading or causing some other mechanism that is yet unstudied for it's potentiality, remembering this is all one great experiment now since trials have been foregone for maximum coverage.
Pheromonal interplay - I actually considered this also but being in relation to another ingredient causing something here. A more complex but chemo hammer & nail cause and effect
The mensuration abnormalities have become synonymous with this "shedding meme", there are many other blood clot related events that are not merely menstrual which are reported in the anecdotes, but since menses has a time cycle that is trackable and a very easily observed cyclical event, being a key indication of female health and reproductive health, it is no surprise it features in a big way, especially for those who are highly regular all their lives and then suddenly it is like nothing they have ever experienced before, and very stressfull.
The below links are to many anecdotes easily read on a phone. Highly recommended read these to get a broad concept of the spectrum of anecdotes:
Not forgetting the 28 day ban on intercourse as required of Pfizer trial subject and the reporting required of inhalation or skin exposure events of subjects and specifically relating to pregnant woman, all per trial documentation.
A copy of the original Pfizer trial document as used by te investigator:
If it is related to the very easily identified action of injection people with mRNA and DNA material to create spike protein on the cells walls and IF something is being transmitted, what is it, mRNA lipids in the air or through skin contact?
Are people rubbing up against the spike and immune system respond or are they getting a dose of the "vaccine", it is not clear.
Interestingly, the adenovirus injections (AstraZeneca is one) use a viral vector body contain synthetic DNA, is it possible it is not actually the Pfizer mRNA but the DNA injections that are causing the effect.
My read is Pfizer is by far the most popular in the US and elsewhere, so it's more probably in most cases, mRNA injected people are to be considered in the main with respect to the anecdotes, but you can not rule out the others either. This adds levels of complexity in deducting what is going on so for simplicity let's assume it's one injection irregardless of the exact tech behind the delivery, but it is noted thus.
What else might it be here?
Very interestingly enough, as this "shedding meme" was growing legs, what appeared next were all the links and connections to the concept of the "self spreading" vaccine. Oh dear says you. Yes. Dear oh dear.
Inhaled mRNA vacceins is a thing and IIRC were reported to be serious shedders and stopped use in some countries. Possibly the US but then they ran again in the Uk a decade later and same problems. These woudl not have been mRNA based afaik. However
"The feasibility of inhaled RNA for passive transfection has also been proven in a number of studies [14]. On a mechanistic level, the inhaled RNA may lead to passive synthesis of non-infectious spike proteins using cell transfection machinery, hence leading to immunization of the individual."
This was replicated across many sites and around the world
Finally, and we need to go back to the start, and maybe many have forgotten this but in the opening stages in January and February, 2020. Much speculation considered the mass vaccination in Wuhan and China end of 2019 was responsible for this yet unknown phenomenon allegedly that had people dropping in the street etc. etc. the opening chaos was a horror movie, but in that chaos for the majority who only tuned in when it went mainstream, the Chinese vaccination run preceding it has been lost on most, here is an example of that kind of thinking back in early 2020:
Another notable in this story, that might not be apparent, is the majority of the anecdotes appear to originate out of the US.
The US has a massive population of injected, with one or two doses it's over 200 million counting both and that has moved to all ages, and the US is not really following the same draconian lockdowns as elsewhere (which appears to have a bias to Dem states being more draconian) but nothing that resembled the European lockdowns, which for many countries are still ongoing with no sign of ever lifting. Even China was not that bad eh... this means in the US all ages are having it and are mixing more or less normally so it's the canary in the coal mine as best we can ascertain, i.e. the most ahead of the curve when experiencing the multitude of potential unknowns. For that reason alone, it is important ot pay attention, when you keep this in the context of WAR. The luxuries of the past are long gone on that front.
Further note - Many more socialist orientated countries particularly in the EU (which seems ot have centrally managed the buying and supplying of the doses to member states) are typically starting with the oldest and working down, and they are no where near even the 50+ in many states. The Uk is getting to the 40 something age group now but they started earlier than most.
It also doesn't have much to do with reality.
Shedding is a thing for real vaccines, because real vaccines are made of real viruses (some). So its not so much "shedding" but just normal transmission of the virus that was injected as a vaccine.
The spike protein is a transmembrane protein. It can't exist (at least not in its normal shape) outside of the membrane it is built into. It also doesn't just leave the membrane. Is it possible some part of it is being cut off and floating around? Maybe, but the interface with the ACE2 protein is a 3D structure that requires the whole protein to interact (probably). There is no evidence whatsoever that such a thing is happening, and no biological process by which it can.
And if these miracle proteins DID happen to get free of their membrane jail and remained intact (both impossible), there is no path out of the lumen, into the bloodstream, then out of the body, then into another body, then into their blood, then into the lumen of some tissue that just so happens to express the ACE2 protein...
Its like, 10 steps of impossibility. It ain't happenen.
What is likely happening is a pheromone response, just like has happened with menstruation for all of human history. Since all stories of "spike protein shedding" are also stories of menstruation, that is a fairly likely scenario.
u/#michaelconfused
You just made my day. ??? what's your opinion about Frontline doctors saying otherwise? Sincere question.
I don't know about the Frontline doctors talking about shedding specifically. Do you mean that group of five doctors that spoke about it? I didn't watch the whole thing. I only saw about 15 minutes of it. Once someone starts getting the biology wrong I tend to stop listening.
Doctors are not biologists. People (who aren't biologists or doctors) don't realize that. Don't get me wrong, some are, but in general, unless they are a specialist that requires specific knowledge in cell biology (oncologist e.g.) or they are also a researcher (MD PhD) they generally don't have any training past junior year undergrad in cell biology with a minimal refresher in their MD. They focus on anatomy, disease, trauma, etc. The actual biology is not a focus of study, so they often get things wrong (its a very complicated subject).
So if those doctors said other good things after the first 15 minutes I didn't hear it. Regardless, I have yet to hear a viable path by which these vaccines can be "shedding", and a whole mess of paths that get basic cell and molecular biology wrong in the explanation.
Let me give you an example of a possible path by which "shedding" could happen. I still think it is almost certainly a pheromone response, just because it fits the anecdotal data I have seen, but I will indulge the idea for a second.
Transmembrane proteins (like the spike protein) can be cut by enzymes that are outside the cell designed for that purpose. This can cause a part of the protein that is on the exterior to be cut off. This part can possibly go off and be a signal for some other cell. It loses all its tertiary structure, but it retains its secondary structure and that can potentially be a signal elsewhere.
The problem that I have with that idea is, generally such long range peptide signals are very specific (a part of the bodies normal function, designed through eons of evolution).
This is a novel protein (we've never encountered it before biologically) so there is no reason we should have pathways that would use a small part of this protein as a signal. The key here is that such a signal is only a signal in its secondary structure. The tertiary structure requires the whole protein to remain intact. You can think of these two different structures as being like 2D v. 3D. Its not quite that way, but it might give an idea. The tertiary structure comes from a bunch of different parts of the protein that are not immediately connected sequentially, but come together when its all folded up (like origami). It is this tertiary structure that acts as a signal with the ACE2 protein. Once it gets cut off and starts floating around (hypothetically) it looks completely different. It will never have that 3D structure again because parts no longer are there when it gets cut (they are sequentially far away even though they were close in the folded structure).
So even if these little pieces of the protein got away, and somehow went into the blood (not actually that easy, but not impossible) and then somehow got out of the body and transferred to another person, and somehow made it into a tissue in that person that expressed an ACE2 protein, it would still almost certainly be insufficient to make a connection.
I just can't come up with a biological basis by how a novel transmembrane protein could be "shedding" and having an effect, even hypothetically.
Now, biology is very complicated, and I don't know everything (we don't know shit relative to what there is still left to learn about biology), so perhaps there is some path, but if there is, it would at a minimum need to fit in with what we do know, and I have yet to hear anything that does.
I can't thank you enough for the time and effort you just made to clarify and enlighten anyone vexing over this issue.
This is a welcome and really quality contribution to this vexing subject. Thank you.
As others have indicated, it is a topic that is causing a lot of genuine concern among families. Especially those with children and grandparents, the grandparents are often the first to have gotten these experimental gene treatments who believe they are being saved.
It adds a order of magnitude of complication similar to the fog of war of 2020 early coverage and events - Up to this point, the primary concern was untested injections would kill or main a loved one due to the genetic intrusion, and also the wider societal effects as it expressed through the population. Starting with medical people, you might start to suspect it was a strategic takedown of the people who are usually in WAR (Geneva convention) not to be targeted on the battlefield. It is as if the rules of WAR have been inverted to achieve maximum destruction and casualty by entering the blindspot of your enemy.
It is also as if we are faced with a WWG1WGA diabolical inversion, a nightmare doomsday scenario, so it has more than a dose of the horror movie plot as things did early on in 2020 before the Virus was coronated King of the world. The style and effect is a good indicator it most certainly could be high quality psychological terror.
Firstly, yes, of course it could be an insidiously clever psychological-war tactic to divide even more, particularly families. It would actually be good if it turned out to be nothing more than this because the implication of transmission are far far worse.
In summary - It has some value and purpose and it up to use to discover that truth lies. Then for the sake of argument, let us assume it is a potentially real thing because that is the worse case scenario and it needs to be given serious attention - So what could be going on?
**2 questions that seem to be the most important are: **
Is it a case of mass-group hysteria, correlation does not imply causation with a heavy mis-application of confirmation bias?
Are we too focused on the spike protein to see it may be some other unknown ingredient/s in the vials, that is spreading or causing some other mechanism that is yet unstudied for it's potentiality, remembering this is all one great experiment now since trials have been foregone for maximum coverage.
Pheromonal interplay - I actually considered this also but being in relation to another ingredient causing something here. A more complex but chemo hammer & nail cause and effect
The mensuration abnormalities have become synonymous with this "shedding meme", there are many other blood clot related events that are not merely menstrual which are reported in the anecdotes, but since menses has a time cycle that is trackable and a very easily observed cyclical event, being a key indication of female health and reproductive health, it is no surprise it features in a big way, especially for those who are highly regular all their lives and then suddenly it is like nothing they have ever experienced before, and very stressfull.
The below links are to many anecdotes easily read on a phone. Highly recommended read these to get a broad concept of the spectrum of anecdotes:
https://covidvaccinereactions.com/kimalberts/ https://covidvaccinereactions.com/echounafraid/
This is the main site: https://covidvaccinereactions.com/cycle-oddities/
Extra info for context:
Not forgetting the 28 day ban on intercourse as required of Pfizer trial subject and the reporting required of inhalation or skin exposure events of subjects and specifically relating to pregnant woman, all per trial documentation.
A copy of the original Pfizer trial document as used by te investigator:
https://media.tghn.org/medialibrary/2020/11/C4591001_Clinical_Protocol_Nov2020_Pfizer_BioNTech.pdf A blog post ont eh subject: https://www.barnhardt.biz/2021/04/28/humanicide-pfizer-admits-in-its-own-mrna-jab-trial-documentation-that-non-jabbed-people-can-be-environmentally-exposed-to-the-jabs-spike-proteins-by-inhalation-or-skin-contact/
If it is related to the very easily identified action of injection people with mRNA and DNA material to create spike protein on the cells walls and IF something is being transmitted, what is it, mRNA lipids in the air or through skin contact?
Are people rubbing up against the spike and immune system respond or are they getting a dose of the "vaccine", it is not clear.
Interestingly, the adenovirus injections (AstraZeneca is one) use a viral vector body contain synthetic DNA, is it possible it is not actually the Pfizer mRNA but the DNA injections that are causing the effect.
My read is Pfizer is by far the most popular in the US and elsewhere, so it's more probably in most cases, mRNA injected people are to be considered in the main with respect to the anecdotes, but you can not rule out the others either. This adds levels of complexity in deducting what is going on so for simplicity let's assume it's one injection irregardless of the exact tech behind the delivery, but it is noted thus.
What else might it be here?
Very interestingly enough, as this "shedding meme" was growing legs, what appeared next were all the links and connections to the concept of the "self spreading" vaccine. Oh dear says you. Yes. Dear oh dear.
There was the John Hopkins document: https://jhsphcenterforhealthsecurity.s3.amazonaws.com/181009-gcbr-tech-report.pdf
Then the news articles on this subject that somehow got missed end of 2020, one example:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1340352/coronavirus-vaccine-covid19-self-spreading-vaccine
Inhaled mRNA vacceins is a thing and IIRC were reported to be serious shedders and stopped use in some countries. Possibly the US but then they ran again in the Uk a decade later and same problems. These woudl not have been mRNA based afaik. However
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7685031/
Then the US remake of the British TV Show Utopia (spoiler)revelation of the plan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2QNnoqc3XU
OVER THE TARGET?
Then the MSM came out to attack the "shedding meme".
2 examples:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/29/technology/covid-vaccine-period-conspiracy.html https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid19vaccine-reproductivepro-idUSL1N2MG256
This was replicated across many sites and around the world
Finally, and we need to go back to the start, and maybe many have forgotten this but in the opening stages in January and February, 2020. Much speculation considered the mass vaccination in Wuhan and China end of 2019 was responsible for this yet unknown phenomenon allegedly that had people dropping in the street etc. etc. the opening chaos was a horror movie, but in that chaos for the majority who only tuned in when it went mainstream, the Chinese vaccination run preceding it has been lost on most, here is an example of that kind of thinking back in early 2020:
https://thewatchtowers.org/chinas-mandatory-vaccination-law-went-into-effect-on-december-1-2019-the-coronavirus-outbreak-is-it-a-vaccine-experiment-gone-bad/ Backup link - https://archive.is/TIlsQ
Observations for even wider context:
Another notable in this story, that might not be apparent, is the majority of the anecdotes appear to originate out of the US.
The US has a massive population of injected, with one or two doses it's over 200 million counting both and that has moved to all ages, and the US is not really following the same draconian lockdowns as elsewhere (which appears to have a bias to Dem states being more draconian) but nothing that resembled the European lockdowns, which for many countries are still ongoing with no sign of ever lifting. Even China was not that bad eh... this means in the US all ages are having it and are mixing more or less normally so it's the canary in the coal mine as best we can ascertain, i.e. the most ahead of the curve when experiencing the multitude of potential unknowns. For that reason alone, it is important ot pay attention, when you keep this in the context of WAR. The luxuries of the past are long gone on that front.
Further note - Many more socialist orientated countries particularly in the EU (which seems ot have centrally managed the buying and supplying of the doses to member states) are typically starting with the oldest and working down, and they are no where near even the 50+ in many states. The Uk is getting to the 40 something age group now but they started earlier than most.
Ok that's it for now! :)
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