I’m not religious but I’m a massive Trump and Q follower. I see lots Christians on the board, any other atheists around here?
How do you view the religious factor in the Q movement?
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You think the past is verifiable? Who writes the history books? What is this website about? What are fighting? A massive illusion and control mechansim most people don't even know exists.... Right?
And yet you believe truth is some easily, equally accessible object we all can look at the "proofs" in the same way? We don't even know WTF is going on in Antartica. We can't even verify that NOW. But I'm to believe extraordinary claims that lack extraordinary evidence from thousands of years ago?
That religious book written by old dudes that never met Jesus... They're not to be questioned. Their motives aren't to be questioned. We just need to roll over and believe them? Our souls (no evidence of souls) depend on it. The case that a soul exists has never been made. The bible just treats it like it's a simple, easy to swallow assumption. Uhh, if you're gonna tell me about where my soul goes after my body dies... You're gonna need to make a case that souls exist and use supporting evidence instead of just conveniently glossing over it because it's problematic for you.
Anyways,
Go watch the video of Tucker Carlson handing Bill Nye his ass about climate change. Then read the comments... There are people out there that believe Tucker lost that debate.
Perspective is everything.
Yes
In the case of the Bible? The losers. They were getting killed for their beliefs in the first and second century. Had to write letters to each other, and read them in caves and catacombs.
Yup - with an open mind.
Book a trip and go there to verify.
Claims about the extraordinary don't need "extraordinary" evidence - just good evidence that stands up to reasoning and hard questions.
False. They were contemporaries of Jesus. Eyewitnesses to his life and resurrection. If not direct, first person eyewitnesses, then they were one step removed. Even Atheist Bart Ehrman (Biblical historian) wouldn't go as far as saying what you say here.
Absolutely not! Never just roll over and believe something with out questioning it! You have good questions and doubts! And there are good answers to those questions and doubts!
No, nobody that wrote the bible knew Jesus... The stories were passed down for decades... Upwards of 50 years AFTER it was all over with. We don't know who wrote the books in the bible... The authors didn't sign their names... Some group of men made that decision... Probably the same group of men that decided which books would make up the bible and which ones would not.
And at no point in that very clean, uncompormisable process could things get fucked up (assuming a magical deity did send himself on a suicide mission to save us from himself if we don't accept his "gift" because he loves us so much but only if we believe in him.
But regardless... I care not about the evidences of God and the bible... Like I said, he's not worthy of my endorsement... His version of good and love are not my versions of good and love. Asking a father to kill his only son for you is shitty. A father doing it to appease his god, is shitty. God killing all the first born because he has a beef with Pharoah is shitty. Cursing 10 generations deep because some loser in the desert didn't keep a law is shitty. Treating women as property and the spoils of war, is shitty.
Again, not anyone worthy of my endorsement.
Since you have no interest in engaging good arguments for the existence of the God of the Bible and would rather hold on to your Strawman arguments you've picked up from the lame, weak minded New Atheists, then we are at an impasse.
There are rebuttals to everyone of your baseless assertions.
We can remain united, though, on the Q front. Glad you're here.
Okie dokie