Hello everyone i need some help for a friend. They work at pen medicine and there being forced to get the vaccine. My friend doesnt want it. So my question is this. Does anyone know any recognized religious beliefs that my friend can use. Or any other pointers they can give. Thanks for your time. God bless you all.
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The Catholic church says that the J&J vaccine is immoral due requiring abortion to be made, but said that Moderna and Pfizer were morally alright to take (in the interest of saving future lives) because abortion was used in testing rather than necessary for their creation. However, abortion was still used in testing which does tie into matters of conscience.
Thank you my friend I will let them know. God bless u
Already looked up Christian Scientists. They have wimped out and said it is up to the person.
The Christian Scientist I have none since I was a child was proud she got the jab. I asked and she told me it was the first shot she had ever gotten. All the others over her lifetime she refused because of her religion. The programming that the media is doing is that strong.
The world is so screwed up right now.
Yes it's very sad. I keep telling them to put it in Gods hands. They are ready to quit there job and go down that road of needed
They should not quit but wait to be fired - quitting leaves them no unemployment or rights to take legal action.
Yes your absolutely right so let me walk back my words and restate what I actually meant. So yes they would wait to be fired but since there on a student loan if they get fired or quit before a certain amount of time they are required to pay back the student loan. Which in the end is just money but still that is there worry with that.
I didnt mean that I think it will be easy. Being out of work is very stressful and fear of the unknown is real. But it is better than being shot full of an untested poison for a virus that over 97% of people recover from. There are many jobs out there, they should start looking immediately. I also know there were a lot of lay offs for Corona so there are many deferral programs (look on your bank or credit union website) for people who cant pay their bills. Good luck to them, even though it will be very hard, it does feel good to stand up for yourself and what you believe.
Yes you are correct. And I know you didn't mean it would be easy. I appreciate all the info. God bless you friend
I’m curious about the Amish...
Can u expand please
Whether their doctrine would include enough literature to qualify for that exclusion... on second thought, if your friend were “Amish” they’d not be part of common society, I suppose. My brain didn’t fully complete this train of thought earlier
Haha it's all good I appreciate the help.
Have you looked into the Jehovah's witnesses? They refuse blood products, and the vaccines supposedly have fetal cells in them, perhaps they have a problem with it?
Yes and pen medicine says there is no proof of this.
I've seen plenty of information online that comes through here to make an argument with that? but I'm guessing that would be ignored, what about medical exemption, allergies? Autoimmune disorders? I've had Guillaine Barre, and I'm medically exempt.
Yes but they dont have any of those and the medical cult wants the paper trail.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org
Sorry, that's the website where I think maybe you can find help, I have their telegram channel, I'll keep looking on their for additional sites.
https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org
Thanks you my friend. God bless u.
Here, this was a link on Sidney Powell's page, it was about your rights to refuse with an employer
http://DefendingtheRepublic.org/covid
Thank you for this. It's funny a meeting they had pen medicine tried to deny all these things and say it's safe.
I read in Corinthians not too long ago where the famous verse about our body belonging to Jesus Christ and it is the temple of the Holy Spirit. That sin and all other such things such as fornication defines the temple of the Holy Ghost. In a sense being a Christian requires you to care for your body and well being on a spiritual level right? Would that not also include on a carnal level? The flesh is nothing but to knowingly put something known to be man-made synthetic poison into you could be considered contrary to protecting His temple. Granted there's countless exceptions though I intend not to cause hurt none stumbling to the brethren but take unpasteurized alcohol and Marijuana for example. Tons have medical benefits but the excess of said medicine can have the reverse effect and become poison. We are called to be temperate and sober in all our dealings yet we are free and set to liberty to enjoy God's creations as long as we be sober minded and not slaves to such things right? So with medicine with the right religious protection lawyer. Using the scriptures in Corinthians as well as the others regarding drinking, etc. One could make a decent defense regarding the vaccine with the statement that your body is a temple as your Bible tells you and to actively and knowingly harm oneself when there's ample examples of adverse events associated with it as well as its known tampering with the human genome, one could make the argument that God also made them the way they are and are against any means of altering the self for man's purposes is elevating man over God which too is a form of idolatry which is forbidden to the Christian.
I hope this helps brother.
I pray that your friend need not come to legal matters that it can be resolved before the court. Alas what must needs be let be in Jesus name.
God bless you in Jesus name, amen.
Thanks friend. What's sad is there requiring you to be part of a recognized religion. And none of the recognized ones are willing to point this out. I really wanna create a new church but I dont even know how
Recognized? Dang that's anti 1st amendment. If they can't respect that then we don't really have a constitution anymore do we? Unless a lawyer is willing to combat that on the grounds of religious and constitutional subversion I can't think of anything else to do. America's Frontline doctors have lawyers that could argue it from a medical defense but the only thing protecting that is the FDA didn't approve it as well as the EUA laws. And I sincerely fear that route will erode once the fda gets their grubby paws on a "certification" of it being safe then not even the AFD can protect you. The only other thing I know of is informed consent laws. You have a right to not be forced to take any medicine and to be informed about it. The only thing I see detrimental there too is that the job manual usual tells you what you can and cannot fight. My job never mentions vaccinations as a requirement to work there so I'm very lucky the state of Virginia/ county I work in hasn't been very aggressive regarding it. Right now just a bunch of talk but no fruit as of yet. I hate to leave the potential possibility your friend may have to leave the job but the other thing that could be tried is that their employer retaliated against them. Employer retaliation is excessively against HR policy. If they could manage a case for that they might be in good standing.
So they are basically saying that they don't recognize Christianity anymore then? This is looking very 666 suspect.
I'm all out of juice unfortunately though =/.
Thanks friend I will pass this info on to them. Its in Gods hands
In Jesus name, amen.
I really wanna create a church. Something new. There are so many God loving people here
I did some reading up on how to start a church and it seems a lot easier than it sounds! I think the most difficult part would be finding a solid and trustworthy foundation of members to make it a reality.
Is it required that it has to be physically meeting or does virtual count. Cause the members are here on .win. so many people here and across .win have been wanting a new church of sorts. I appreciate your time any info you can give helps.
What a good and very important question! I only did a general search into what steps are needed to establish a church. I’m not sure what constitutes as a church as far as virtual is concerned. I am curious and will be looking further into this.
I am very interested in hearing what you learn plz let me know.
I have read into the Epistles for answers on the same actually. The bigger issue comes is that I'm still a youth in Christ. Paul writes a lot on the importance of elders in the church and now a days everyone thinks they have what it takes. I know there are some other verses that would also deter the weaker in doctrine of our brethren. Specifically on the silence of the women in the church building as well as the forbidding of them teaching. About marriage regarding the roles of the husband and wife. How to entreat older widows and younger ones, how to manage church interpersonal relationships; in short proper elders who can council the flock in the Holy Spirit and doctrine of Jesus Christ and stand as a buffer for a pastor. A treasury as well as a group for organizing ministry and gatherings, etc. A lot of harder to hear verses that would require seasoned Christians of old age and full of the Holy Spirit to keep watch of the ongoing growth of the younger in faith in the ways of the Bible. It's not impossible but I do believe there's a lot we gotta get organized ya know? I want to help you with this so by no means am I discouraging you brother. I don't know how old you are or your tenure in the scriptures and doctrine of Jesus Christ. If you're already an elder in Christ then happy are you because you're partly there. Next you need other elders who can be your checks and balances as well as you them and then a working financial, pastoral ministerial and doctrinal organization of the brethren. I believe that's one of the mistakes I made in past is thinking I could do it without those things. Perhaps you can organize a local church in your area and attain all those things which (I personally think) may require in person organization of and use this site as a council of brethren to organize the same in their own communities. Feel free to message me about this, brother. I'd love your thoughts.
God bless you in Jesus name, amen.
You got some good answers and 1 came to me. It may sound silly or too simple but what if you were vegan. If you had proof of aborted cells, wouldnt simply being vegan enough?
Yes but they already said there is no proof of that in there meeting
They said there is no proof of this. And then said its proven safe. They basically knew all the things we have been trying to say and they just countered them saying we know better
you've said in several of your responses that they claim it has been proven safe. Based on exactly what EVIDENCE? The research has not been concluded and the first set of research results are not expected until late 22 or into 23. Of course this is not legitimate research, it is polishing the cow turd and is really just providing justification for making the shot mandatory (and giving the Big Pharma companies another bunch of our tax dollars).
Yes exactly they just claim it because a bunch of paid people says it is
This reminds me of the mark of the beast. that's not enough of a religious exemption?
It has to come from a recognized religion
So, you're saying they don't/won't recognize Slechta5614ism? What kind of narrow-minded bigots don't recognize Slechta5614ism?
Read the post this isnt about me. God bless you friend I'm praying for you
I'm involved with a vax program and they accept religious exemption and don't even ask for any details. Does your friend need to specify any details?
Yes they gave them like a 7 page long survey where they Have to detail a bunch of stuff.
What do u mean a vax program
Large entity in healthcare pushing covid vaccinations on all of their employees. The employees can decline based on religious reason but they do not ask any further questions about it. If they decline, they have to get tested periodically.
Oh ok thanks for clarifying. Yeah pen medicine has a 7 page thing you have to fill out
This is the form Virginia uses: https://www.doe.virginia.gov/support/health_medical/certificate_religious_exemption.pdf
In theory, the state or employer should not be able to ask any additional questions. UPHS/PM is state run and has to follow federal guidelines. It should be end of story w/ religious exemption.
And have your friend tell them, if asked, that they are Amish. End of story.
One more thing is it's an at will employer so is there a legal route if they got fired for this
"At will" means you can be fired at any time for any legal reason. Everything should be documented as much as possible. If it is documented that a religious exemption was requested and then that individual is shortly fired, then a strong case can be made. Not a lawyer.
Ok I will pass this on. Thanks for the info. God bless u