Not a bad idea!
(media.gab.com)
You're viewing a single comment thread. View all comments, or full comment thread.
Comments (152)
sorted by:
True, nobody is saying otherwise.
Also true, nobody would disagree with that.
Not so much. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism. It is an appeal by right to authority over another group of humans. Mandating a vaccine, or mandating a surveillance apparatus, they are one in the same in that they are both subjecting a group to an unwarranted and unreasonable authority. Teachers answer to their principles. Principles answer to their District Directors. District Directors answer to the School Board.
You want to become involved? Learn your place in the chain of command, and the power you already have as a community member. School Boards have an insane amount of power. You would know that if you were deeply involved in one.
You may choose the curriculum, you may be involved in schools, you may sit in on the classes, and the school meetings, but you do not have the right to spy on other American workers, no matter if they are taxpayer funded or not. You would be violating basic human rights, and eroding trust in the institution and profession.
By your reasoning we should not be mandating...oh, let's say traffic laws. If you want to drive the wrong way on an interstate and high speed, according to your "logic" that should be quite alright, because by God no one's going to tell Skippy what he can do.... "You're not the boss of me!"
Mandating a curriculum is not authoritarianism, it's common sense. Otherwise you're going to bad things.... you know, like Critical Racism Theory, and Drag Queen reading hours with children. Again, if you don't see the difference, then I will be unable to explain it to you in any simpler, one-syllable words.
Police Officers are responsible for traffic safety and law enforcement, just as Principals are responsible for teacher conduct and lessons. Last time I saw a citizen impersonating an officer of the law and pulling a fellow citizen over, they were arrested. Your analogy is nonsensical.
You are correct. Curriculum can be standardized. It already is standardized. Those standards can be changed. What we are discussing is as a SURVEILLANCE APPARATUS to enforce that standard, which IS AUTHORITARIAN. Set the standard, attend the school board meetings, check in with the principals, get involved, but let the schools operate with dignity and trust.
You are acting under the assumption that every teacher, principal, and admin are criminals, and warrant subjecting to an authoritarian surveillance state. That is textbook extremism, and will lead us down a road we do not want to go down.
You’re one of those who cheered on the Patriot Act, aren’t you? Never able to see how abuse could occur, bc you still honestly believe everyone is still just “so good” inside.
Bad actors control what gets seen. Example: one kid is bullied for months by another kid. The bullied kid suddenly stands up, but only his response is broadcast to the masses. The masses then come for the kid and his parents, and “demand” something be done to this kid (who finally stood up for himself).
If you don’t have the furtive imagination to think of what the deep state might manipulate to satisfy their own agenda, look no further than the Patriot act.
But “it’s live-streamed”. Okay..... who is watching 24/7? With how nefarious we know people to be, who’s not to say that that can’t be manipulated? Basic bank robbers have done that to security cameras for years.
Put nothing past these people. If it sounds like a perfect answer to something that otherwise takes a lot of work- then it’s just that...... too good to be true. Literally.
How much lazier do we have to get.
You are acting under the assumption that every teacher, principal, and admin are criminals, and warrant subjecting to an authoritarian surveillance state.
Nope, I'm acting under very clear evidence that teachers, principals, and administrations (and school boards) ARE evil people who are, as we speak, indoctrinating kids. Surely I don't have to repeat to YOU all the stories that have come out in the last year about shoddy teachers pushing a Marxist agenda. Nor, I'm sure, do I need to repeat the many stories about CRT being taught, about white students being singled out and shamed for their "whiteness"... and so forth.
I'm saying without apology that our schools need to be purged, everyone above the level of janitor being summarily fired, and then replaced by people who will follow the curricula and standards of the community. I realize that is too much to hope for, but there you have it.
Are there a few good teachers? Yeah... maybe, but we rarely hear about them. My daily news feed is a constant diet of dreary news of a mind-numbing, politically correct, LGBT-friendly or even LGBT-ENCOURAGEMENT themes, that make schools sound more like a North Korean prison than an agency of learning.
Are some teachers Marxists? Yes, in a society that is becoming infected with socialism it is inevitable that some teachers are going to be Marxists. Do we need to confront these teachers about their bringing politics into the classroom? Definitely. Do we have means of doing that without subjecting Patriot teachers to unwarranted violations of their basic civil liberties and human rights? Yes, we do.
There have been some videos and stories about some teachers pushing their Marxist agendas. These teachers are being enabled by state legislation. If you want to fix the Marxist agenda, start with the legislature. Be logical, not irrational.
You are afraid that white students are being shunned and selectively discriminated against, yet you plan to indiscriminately purge all teachers based on an unfounded assumption that all teachers are Marxists. What makes your breed of socialism better than theirs?
Do you want to know why you never hear about them? It is because the vast majority of GOOD teachers are busy doing their jobs, working hard for their students and parents, and trying to stay afloat with the impossible expectations placed on teachers today. The teachers you do hear about are the ones that gain news traction because their stories are sensational. Many of these teachers are teaching in liberal strong hold cities. Social media gives you a reflection of precisely what you want to see, and only that. If you go looking for Marxist teachers, the algorithms will throw you a hundred of them while ignoring the millions of upstanding patriot teachers that are out there. If you haven't learned by now, QUIT EXPECTING SOCIAL MEDIA TO MIRROR REALITY! It doesn't! It is meant to distort reality and present you with a world that doesn't exist. Just as Trump undoubtedly won 2020, so to are there undoubtedly more Patriot teachers out there than Marxist ones. Take care you don't fire upon friendlies in your crusade against Marxism. This is how fanaticism and extremism are born.
Move out to the countryside and you will see a completely different picture. Open your eyes. You cannot solve these issues with indiscriminate mandates of surveillance apparatuses. You will end up alienating all of the good teachers (or purging them as you suggested) and will be left with absolutely no teachers, because nobody would be willing to work under such draconian and authoritarian standards. Teaching is already a thankless and underpaid job. Good luck finding anyone to fill those jobs if you go down this road.
I don't think anyone in this thread would last a week as a teacher with the present standards and expectations of the profession, let alone a single day under the proposed 1984 surveillance state with parents and community members breathing down your neck at every perceived slight they caught on film.
Well - read my post above. Those long. I wrote how to apply it "correctly". The thing however is even those "correct" way of applying it would cause too many dangers.
Simply you and u/undine53 are not too technical persons,don't you ?
Even if you ignore argument about liberty and privacy simply maintaining it at the level of security even big enough to protect it against teenage johny the chacker or ivan the chacker (chacker is IT slang for hacker not being too good in hacking ,"mistake" is purposeful) is quite big.
Technology has it disadvantages simply too,and you ignore it - examples:
Probably every day in USA likewise in Europe some paedophile log to chinese cheap camera some parent left to monitor his/her infant, and after copying it maybe edit to make it child porn - or fap to those baby.
Probably every day some grandma gets extorted or robbed by some criminals calling to her. And no,they don't need to play Nigerian Prince,sometimes they play for example as Amazon serviceman "wanting to help".
Election fraud happened - also on Dominion machines connected to internet.
To say sincerely - not all programmers and electronics engineers would be happy to read that,but sometimes too complicated technology is worse than crude and simple one. For example - don't be offended,but if I would have a choice to buy AR15 or AK47 I would chose AK47.
I really tried to follow that semi-literate post, but kept getting tripped up on grammatical issues. It's really hard to know exactly what you're saying here, so I'll just pass.
....and what the hell does the AR15 vs AK47 comment even mean? Again, I don't understand what you're saying.
Ok. Summary:
You could use fucking technology,including surveilance technology but securing it even to basic standards (not meaning you would get things really 100% secure - this is not possible) is EXTREME COST and PAIN OF ASS.
And those ar15 vs ak47 comment leads to:
Why to chose complicated and potentially in some cases prone to problems (like ar15 or camera surveillance in school) when you can chose those so easy that even monkey couldn't probably fuck it up (like ak47 or just going to school to see the lesson).