I was done posting for the day, but you write like I do and I wanted to respond as appreciation for the detail.
The issue I have with what you've suggested is that 8chan was NOT a big deal when it was first out there (like I said, I remember it personally, and 4chan was still the ruling class at the time). 8chan was famous only for being less regulated than 4chan, and nothing else before Q found it.
So compared to 4chan, or the many other chans out there that could be chosen, I don't understand what could have convinced a high-level anti-pedophile government operative to choose 8chan over the hundreds of other sites that do exactly the same thing, without the child porn but with all the same anonymous protections.
If it were on 4chan, I still would be skeptical, but the "reaching a wider audience" argument would hold up. Unless things have changed drastically in the post-Q years, 8chan never got close to surpassing 4chan's audience and reach.
Further, if Q is the person he claims to be, then he could have CREATED a better site specifically for his purposes. If he has the ability to create a Plan so nuanced and complicated and all-encompassing that NCSWIC and it will defeat an international cabal of criminals that have run the world...
...then creating a popular chan that doesn't have a heavy pedophile presence shouldn't be out of his reach, should it? There was literally no other option here for someone of Q's reach and resources?
Sorry, but the Plan that you guys believe must be occurring on an international scale cannot coexist with a man who lacks the resources to build a non-pedophilic means of informing keyboard warriors about said plan. There are literally so many other options for someone with even a modest understanding of how these sites operate and a few thousand bucks to burn.
Sorry, but the Plan that you guys believe must be occurring on an international scale cannot coexist with a man who lacks the resources to build a non-pedophilic means of informing keyboard warriors about said plan. There are literally so many other options for someone with even a modest understanding of how these sites operate and a few thousand bucks to burn.
Right, but once again; it worked. The results mean that the outcome was possible, and therefore predictable if you understand the system well enough. You don't have access to the variables which made it possible, and so you are concluding that it wasn't predictable. That's faulty logic, no matter how you look at it.
It's like a reverse "God of the gaps" argument. "I don't understand why this happened, and so therefore there is no reason for it."
I can literally think of dozens of reasons why it could have happened. Maybe the complete lack of oversight was the ONE thing Q required. Maybe Q had operatives strategically placed in certain other forums and outlets that could drive attention to the "crumbs" so that they would draw eyeballs... You know, all the blogosphere articles in the early days with headlines such as "Mysterious entity on 8chan claims there is an evil cabal of Satanic pedophiles", etc.
And I already answered the child porn thing. If you post in a place where the readers could easily come into contact with child porn, it makes them more likely to accept that there are human trafficking networks all over the place.
I know people that have never been molested and never come into contact with any of that kind of material, and they are the hardest people to convince that it is a massive problem. It's the same concept as us privileged Americans finding it hard to understand that there are large swaths of the planet where people have no electricity, no food, no clean water, and where slavery still exists.
Out of sight, out of mind...
Once again, your inability to understand doesn't equate impossibility.
But it does allow me the reasonable accommodation of filtering the massive amount of information I have to absorb as I go about my day.
Right now, I have not seen a single Q post that could not have been written by a 20 year old nobody. I am not yet convinced that Q is any more important than any random nobody standing on a trash can screaming about aliens. I do not believe Q is anyone other than a random internet troll who got lucky.
I can choose to believe that there's some convoluted world in which Q was REQUIRED to use a child porn hosting chan in order to spread the message that would save the world.
But I'm already stretching my imagination by accepting that Q is even a legitimate source of literally any information about anything, and not a 20 something year old loser on the internet like everyone else claiming to be important.
So until I have actual proof that Q is worth listening to besides him having a message that aligns with the world that Trump has convinced his base exists (which I am not convinced DOES, in fact, exist), then it's pretty hard to convince me to do any mental gymnastics for explaining incredibly improbable means by which Q might have had to do things, IF Q actually exists as the person he claims, IF this Cabal even exists the way Trump says it does, and so forth.
I personally am willing to read your stuff because I have always had interests in talking with people I disagree with, but I say this with humility, there aren't a whole lot of people like me. Most people won't give Q the time of day.
I only care about Q because of the following he's amassed, but amassing a following doesn't mean that you haven't lied your way to getting one, just like every cult leader in history.
I can respect that if your fundamental premise is not "Q is real" then it changes every downstream decision matrix. Not faulting you for that. The question is whether you are substituting "Q is NOT real" instead of "I have no idea".
It is the same problem I have with people who choose to identify as "atheist" instead of "agnostic". As soon as you identify as atheist, you are changing from a positive proposition "God exists" to a negative "No God exists". To take the agnostic position is the only reasonable position if you do not accept the proposition that God exists, otherwise you are choosing an equally indefensible logical proposition to the one you oppose, without even admitting that you are acting on faith, as a believer would freely admit.
Point being, there are plenty of reasons to think this is not just some kids trolling. First, there are 4953 total posts, many being extremely convoluted and using cryptographic codes which to this day have not been solved. Many which are using images never before seen as verified by reverse image searches. And there are countless coincidental correlations which beggar belief.
The exact minute of the announcement of John McCain's death, for one.
The fact that the first several Q posts explicitly linked HRC and Huma Abedin to Saudi Arabia, and then on 10/31/17 Q stated "Get the popcorn, Friday & Saturday will deliver on the MAGA promise" and then on Saturday, 11/4/17 Prince Alwaleed and several other princes were arrested in a massive change of power in Saudi Arabia.
Now, the casual observer would say "well yeah, but Q said HRC would be arrested, and that Huma and Podesta would be indicted." Sure, but Q also explicitly connected those people to the House of Saud, and then on the same day Q said a major action would take place, the House of Saud saw an unprecedented police action which took down the very people Q connected to them.
You might say "well yeah, but that isn't the same thing", and you'd be correct. But it also isn't something that a 20-year old basement dweller was likely to concoct out of thin air and then have the arrests in Saudi Arabia just so happen to occur on the same day, to keep the Q mythos alive and well.
And things like this happened over and over and over again.
So, while you are correct in that Q COULD be completely fake, your proffered rebuttal of it all being a casual LARP isn't nearly as likely as you make it out to be. I'd argue it is far less likely than that Q is real, tbh. There isn't any profit in it, by itself, and if it was just some kids having fun, 4953 often high detail posts over a 3 year period, including tons of obscure data points which have since been researched and confirmed, posts terminating for no good reason just before the election, with countless coincidental correlations to real world events, using original photos from inside highly controlled government areas, and garnering attention from the biggest mainstream news outlets and government officials all over the world without getting caught would be at the very least, the world's greatest prank of all time.
This is an excellent response and deserves more time than I can dedicate to it today. As much as I enjoy talking this stuff, when you don't actually believe any of it, I can't really breathe it as long as you guys do. However, I will give it a proper response in the very near future.
My weekend is busier than I thought, but I owe you a briefish response on this. I want to divide it into two main points: codes and the deltas.
CODES
What is the theory on Q using codes? Who is he protecting the information supposedly encoded inside from?
The Deep State? Because that's a non-answer for me. If a code can be broken here, it can be broken on the back of a napkin at the NSA. I have not seen a single example of math competency here that would be capable of defeating an encryption that would confound the brightest mathematical minds on the planet, and those people work for the NSA.
If you want to prove me wrong, however, you can decrypt the Kryptos sculpture that hangs out in front of the CIA building. Only three of the four stones have been solved, which means you can check your work if you do it from scratch, and show that you're a better codebreaker than the people who supposedly work for the Deep State.
So if the code isn't designed to protect from the Deep State, who then? The normies? That doesn't really align with the concept of a Great Awakening, considering the whole point of why people are supposedly dying from the vaccine and losing their jobs and such is because we have to wait for normies to wake up. We're sacrificing people until the normies decide to do code-breaking for no apparent reason?
The ONLY parsimonious theory I can find here is that the codes aren't really there to protect the info from anyone. They're just a game. Because Q is a game. Q has you solving codes so that you feel like you're in a spy movie, because this whole thing is designed to feel like a movie. And as long as you're deciphering codes, you feel invested in the theory.
The codes are there for fun, because Q is doing this for fun. I can't figure out any actual security reason for codes that you guys are actually capable of deciphering, because I can promise you that no actual modern encryption intended to actually protect information is done using math that anyone here is likely to have even heard of, let alone worked with.
Do you have an idea that makes more sense that that?
DELTAS
This is just confirmation bias manifest, and importantly, it's because you guys don't keep track of your failures. At all.
Can you tell me how many different events people have seen and said, "Watch the water"? Off the top of my head, I can think of Charles Flynn, the Evergiven, Chinese moves in Taiwan, the hospital ships off the coast during COVID, and even the Texas ice storm ("ice is a form of water" -GAW).
And every time nothing happened with those, you guys completely forgot that you had ever considered these events a "victory" for Q. You still have the tally in your head, but you don't consider how many times your interpretations have failed, so it feels like nothing but winning.
This is compounded by the fact that you (and Q) labeled just about every single day, every single weekend, every single upcoming event as being potentially important. And then when something happens and you can squint your way through to seeing it as a victory, you add it to the "proof" pile.
How did Q manage to post on the exact minute McCain's death was mentioned? Because Q is a news junkie. Q also posted multiple times a day. He posted the exact minute McCain's death was announced? Announced by who? Lots of people announced it on a variety of different minutes. If he saw it on CNN in one tab and thirty seconds later posts a thing on 8kun in another tab, and the Fox announces the death a minute later, congratulations. You have a Q drop capable of convincing people you’re a high-level intelligence agent.
A 20 year old nobody could absolutely say, "Clinton will be indicted", then be very wrong about that, but also have a following loyal enough to shoehorn in a Saudi connection and call it a victory. That's how literally all successful psychics work. It's related to cold reading, a strategy that involves convincing your audience of loyal believers to make connections for you, and then you take credit for those connections.
I know a 20 year old nobody could do that, because I enjoyed doing magic tricks as 10 year old nobody and was doing exactly that sort of mentalism for fun. I could absolutely, 100% convince people that I could read their mind just by having them do the work for me. I couldn't be wrong, because the people watching the trick WANTED me to succeed, and therefore helped me do it.
Deltas have always been utterly unconvincing to me for that reason. It makes Q's predictions non-falsifiable, and essentially every argument you use are the same ones that people use to try to scientifically prove the influence of God. You simply seek out events that look like victories, and interpret defeats in ways that look like victories.
Like I said, confirmation bias. Deltas are the worst offenders of this, as if it's impossible that Q, a prolific poster probably somewhere in an American time zone, could not possibly by sheer volume accidentally post at the same time as some big event. As if it's impossible that Q making CONSTANT promises about a big upcoming plan would at some point line up with some event in another country that you guys would choose to interpret as a victory.
This is why I have such a hard time following people down the delta rabbit hole. Because the victories require mental gymnastics, and you guys simply aren't keeping a running tally of how many times an event either fell apart for you, or faded away and memory-holed by a community that was SURE the Evergiven was going to be full of nukes or children or whatever.
I was done posting for the day, but you write like I do and I wanted to respond as appreciation for the detail.
The issue I have with what you've suggested is that 8chan was NOT a big deal when it was first out there (like I said, I remember it personally, and 4chan was still the ruling class at the time). 8chan was famous only for being less regulated than 4chan, and nothing else before Q found it.
So compared to 4chan, or the many other chans out there that could be chosen, I don't understand what could have convinced a high-level anti-pedophile government operative to choose 8chan over the hundreds of other sites that do exactly the same thing, without the child porn but with all the same anonymous protections.
If it were on 4chan, I still would be skeptical, but the "reaching a wider audience" argument would hold up. Unless things have changed drastically in the post-Q years, 8chan never got close to surpassing 4chan's audience and reach.
Further, if Q is the person he claims to be, then he could have CREATED a better site specifically for his purposes. If he has the ability to create a Plan so nuanced and complicated and all-encompassing that NCSWIC and it will defeat an international cabal of criminals that have run the world...
...then creating a popular chan that doesn't have a heavy pedophile presence shouldn't be out of his reach, should it? There was literally no other option here for someone of Q's reach and resources?
Sorry, but the Plan that you guys believe must be occurring on an international scale cannot coexist with a man who lacks the resources to build a non-pedophilic means of informing keyboard warriors about said plan. There are literally so many other options for someone with even a modest understanding of how these sites operate and a few thousand bucks to burn.
Right, but once again; it worked. The results mean that the outcome was possible, and therefore predictable if you understand the system well enough. You don't have access to the variables which made it possible, and so you are concluding that it wasn't predictable. That's faulty logic, no matter how you look at it.
It's like a reverse "God of the gaps" argument. "I don't understand why this happened, and so therefore there is no reason for it."
I can literally think of dozens of reasons why it could have happened. Maybe the complete lack of oversight was the ONE thing Q required. Maybe Q had operatives strategically placed in certain other forums and outlets that could drive attention to the "crumbs" so that they would draw eyeballs... You know, all the blogosphere articles in the early days with headlines such as "Mysterious entity on 8chan claims there is an evil cabal of Satanic pedophiles", etc.
And I already answered the child porn thing. If you post in a place where the readers could easily come into contact with child porn, it makes them more likely to accept that there are human trafficking networks all over the place.
I know people that have never been molested and never come into contact with any of that kind of material, and they are the hardest people to convince that it is a massive problem. It's the same concept as us privileged Americans finding it hard to understand that there are large swaths of the planet where people have no electricity, no food, no clean water, and where slavery still exists.
Out of sight, out of mind...
Once again, your inability to understand doesn't equate impossibility.
You are correct about that.
But it does allow me the reasonable accommodation of filtering the massive amount of information I have to absorb as I go about my day.
Right now, I have not seen a single Q post that could not have been written by a 20 year old nobody. I am not yet convinced that Q is any more important than any random nobody standing on a trash can screaming about aliens. I do not believe Q is anyone other than a random internet troll who got lucky.
I can choose to believe that there's some convoluted world in which Q was REQUIRED to use a child porn hosting chan in order to spread the message that would save the world.
But I'm already stretching my imagination by accepting that Q is even a legitimate source of literally any information about anything, and not a 20 something year old loser on the internet like everyone else claiming to be important.
So until I have actual proof that Q is worth listening to besides him having a message that aligns with the world that Trump has convinced his base exists (which I am not convinced DOES, in fact, exist), then it's pretty hard to convince me to do any mental gymnastics for explaining incredibly improbable means by which Q might have had to do things, IF Q actually exists as the person he claims, IF this Cabal even exists the way Trump says it does, and so forth.
I personally am willing to read your stuff because I have always had interests in talking with people I disagree with, but I say this with humility, there aren't a whole lot of people like me. Most people won't give Q the time of day.
I only care about Q because of the following he's amassed, but amassing a following doesn't mean that you haven't lied your way to getting one, just like every cult leader in history.
I can respect that if your fundamental premise is not "Q is real" then it changes every downstream decision matrix. Not faulting you for that. The question is whether you are substituting "Q is NOT real" instead of "I have no idea".
It is the same problem I have with people who choose to identify as "atheist" instead of "agnostic". As soon as you identify as atheist, you are changing from a positive proposition "God exists" to a negative "No God exists". To take the agnostic position is the only reasonable position if you do not accept the proposition that God exists, otherwise you are choosing an equally indefensible logical proposition to the one you oppose, without even admitting that you are acting on faith, as a believer would freely admit.
Point being, there are plenty of reasons to think this is not just some kids trolling. First, there are 4953 total posts, many being extremely convoluted and using cryptographic codes which to this day have not been solved. Many which are using images never before seen as verified by reverse image searches. And there are countless coincidental correlations which beggar belief.
The exact minute of the announcement of John McCain's death, for one.
The fact that the first several Q posts explicitly linked HRC and Huma Abedin to Saudi Arabia, and then on 10/31/17 Q stated "Get the popcorn, Friday & Saturday will deliver on the MAGA promise" and then on Saturday, 11/4/17 Prince Alwaleed and several other princes were arrested in a massive change of power in Saudi Arabia.
Now, the casual observer would say "well yeah, but Q said HRC would be arrested, and that Huma and Podesta would be indicted." Sure, but Q also explicitly connected those people to the House of Saud, and then on the same day Q said a major action would take place, the House of Saud saw an unprecedented police action which took down the very people Q connected to them.
You might say "well yeah, but that isn't the same thing", and you'd be correct. But it also isn't something that a 20-year old basement dweller was likely to concoct out of thin air and then have the arrests in Saudi Arabia just so happen to occur on the same day, to keep the Q mythos alive and well.
And things like this happened over and over and over again.
So, while you are correct in that Q COULD be completely fake, your proffered rebuttal of it all being a casual LARP isn't nearly as likely as you make it out to be. I'd argue it is far less likely than that Q is real, tbh. There isn't any profit in it, by itself, and if it was just some kids having fun, 4953 often high detail posts over a 3 year period, including tons of obscure data points which have since been researched and confirmed, posts terminating for no good reason just before the election, with countless coincidental correlations to real world events, using original photos from inside highly controlled government areas, and garnering attention from the biggest mainstream news outlets and government officials all over the world without getting caught would be at the very least, the world's greatest prank of all time.
This is an excellent response and deserves more time than I can dedicate to it today. As much as I enjoy talking this stuff, when you don't actually believe any of it, I can't really breathe it as long as you guys do. However, I will give it a proper response in the very near future.
My weekend is busier than I thought, but I owe you a briefish response on this. I want to divide it into two main points: codes and the deltas.
CODES
What is the theory on Q using codes? Who is he protecting the information supposedly encoded inside from?
The Deep State? Because that's a non-answer for me. If a code can be broken here, it can be broken on the back of a napkin at the NSA. I have not seen a single example of math competency here that would be capable of defeating an encryption that would confound the brightest mathematical minds on the planet, and those people work for the NSA.
If you want to prove me wrong, however, you can decrypt the Kryptos sculpture that hangs out in front of the CIA building. Only three of the four stones have been solved, which means you can check your work if you do it from scratch, and show that you're a better codebreaker than the people who supposedly work for the Deep State.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptos
So if the code isn't designed to protect from the Deep State, who then? The normies? That doesn't really align with the concept of a Great Awakening, considering the whole point of why people are supposedly dying from the vaccine and losing their jobs and such is because we have to wait for normies to wake up. We're sacrificing people until the normies decide to do code-breaking for no apparent reason?
The ONLY parsimonious theory I can find here is that the codes aren't really there to protect the info from anyone. They're just a game. Because Q is a game. Q has you solving codes so that you feel like you're in a spy movie, because this whole thing is designed to feel like a movie. And as long as you're deciphering codes, you feel invested in the theory.
The codes are there for fun, because Q is doing this for fun. I can't figure out any actual security reason for codes that you guys are actually capable of deciphering, because I can promise you that no actual modern encryption intended to actually protect information is done using math that anyone here is likely to have even heard of, let alone worked with.
Do you have an idea that makes more sense that that?
DELTAS
This is just confirmation bias manifest, and importantly, it's because you guys don't keep track of your failures. At all.
Can you tell me how many different events people have seen and said, "Watch the water"? Off the top of my head, I can think of Charles Flynn, the Evergiven, Chinese moves in Taiwan, the hospital ships off the coast during COVID, and even the Texas ice storm ("ice is a form of water" -GAW).
And every time nothing happened with those, you guys completely forgot that you had ever considered these events a "victory" for Q. You still have the tally in your head, but you don't consider how many times your interpretations have failed, so it feels like nothing but winning.
This is compounded by the fact that you (and Q) labeled just about every single day, every single weekend, every single upcoming event as being potentially important. And then when something happens and you can squint your way through to seeing it as a victory, you add it to the "proof" pile.
How did Q manage to post on the exact minute McCain's death was mentioned? Because Q is a news junkie. Q also posted multiple times a day. He posted the exact minute McCain's death was announced? Announced by who? Lots of people announced it on a variety of different minutes. If he saw it on CNN in one tab and thirty seconds later posts a thing on 8kun in another tab, and the Fox announces the death a minute later, congratulations. You have a Q drop capable of convincing people you’re a high-level intelligence agent.
A 20 year old nobody could absolutely say, "Clinton will be indicted", then be very wrong about that, but also have a following loyal enough to shoehorn in a Saudi connection and call it a victory. That's how literally all successful psychics work. It's related to cold reading, a strategy that involves convincing your audience of loyal believers to make connections for you, and then you take credit for those connections.
I know a 20 year old nobody could do that, because I enjoyed doing magic tricks as 10 year old nobody and was doing exactly that sort of mentalism for fun. I could absolutely, 100% convince people that I could read their mind just by having them do the work for me. I couldn't be wrong, because the people watching the trick WANTED me to succeed, and therefore helped me do it.
Deltas have always been utterly unconvincing to me for that reason. It makes Q's predictions non-falsifiable, and essentially every argument you use are the same ones that people use to try to scientifically prove the influence of God. You simply seek out events that look like victories, and interpret defeats in ways that look like victories.
Like I said, confirmation bias. Deltas are the worst offenders of this, as if it's impossible that Q, a prolific poster probably somewhere in an American time zone, could not possibly by sheer volume accidentally post at the same time as some big event. As if it's impossible that Q making CONSTANT promises about a big upcoming plan would at some point line up with some event in another country that you guys would choose to interpret as a victory.
This is why I have such a hard time following people down the delta rabbit hole. Because the victories require mental gymnastics, and you guys simply aren't keeping a running tally of how many times an event either fell apart for you, or faded away and memory-holed by a community that was SURE the Evergiven was going to be full of nukes or children or whatever.