Yep. And it's unfortunate that Christians don't see it that way. Which is ironic, because God wants you to choose Him... freely. It can't be forced. It can't be coerced or fear driven. I believe our country would be a very different place if Christians hadn't used shame or fear in the last century to increase numbers and fill pews. But because we raised a generation of forced believers by giving them a "choice" of going to church or getting a spanking and then going to church, we laid the groundwork for the resistance we see today.
Alright staying on topic, I believe Jefferson and other founders were right. This must be a nation of laws and limited government power to thrive. It cannot be influenced by any religion except those of said religions who use their beliefs to benefit the people as a whole. That has been my primary issue with Conservatism is if choosing between freedom or supporting religious ideals is on the line, they foolshily go with the latter and then surprise Pikachu face when leftists do the same, but with their own values... placing personal values over the freedoms of others is part of the reason we are in the mess we're in. Among other things. But if MAGA is going to succeed it must reduce and eliminate all corrupt influence from all sources. God may be good and you may be right, but even He doesn't agree with theocratic governments. He will set things the way He wants when He's ready to return. Until then, we must establish a nation that is free for all faiths and ideals to exist peacefully. Ideally something like the Byzantine Empire.
Yep. And it's unfortunate that Christians don't see it that way. Which is ironic, because God wants you to choose Him... freely. It can't be forced. It can't be coerced or fear driven. I believe our country would be a very different place if Christians hadn't used shame or fear in the last century to increase numbers and fill pews. But because we raised a generation of forced believers by giving them a "choice" of going to church or getting a spanking and then going to church, we laid the groundwork for the resistance we see today.
Alright staying on topic, I believe Jefferson and other founders were right. This must be a nation of laws and limited government power to thrive. It cannot be influenced by any religion except those of said religions who use their beliefs to benefit the people as a whole. That has been my primary issue with Conservatism is if choosing between freedom or supporting religious ideals is on the line, they foolshily go with the latter and then surprise Pikachu face when leftists do the same, but with their own values... placing personal values over the freedoms of others is part of the reason we are in the mess we're in. Among other things. But if MAGA is going to succeed it must reduce and eliminate all corrupt influence from all sources. God may be good and you may be right, but even He doesn't agree with theocratic governments. He will set things the way He wants when He's ready to return. Until then, we must establish a nation that is free for all faiths and ideals to exist peacefully. Ideally something like the Byzantine Empire.
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