So these men were independent but they bought things? So they were consumers? Producers? What?
We're all producers and consumers. Few of us only consume.
Everything else you said was a straw man. I don't disagree that there is a vitamin and mineral deficiency problem but again, straw man arguments.
Most people produce something and for that they are paid and use that payment to purchase food.
Most people don't know enough organic chemistry to balance minerals in the soil. Most people who garden are buying bags of shitty potting soil and producing sub-par vegetables at best. How is that any better than what we currently have? Give me a break. Subject matter experts in medicine, farming, animal husbandry, etc. makes the USA go 'round. It's a fine system when it isn't owned by people who fucking hate us. That's the real problem; not "consumers".
Are military personnel consumers or producers? Why didn't you answer that? You instead went on and on about the failures of the current system, which I don't disagree with, but you didn't answer the question.
Are military personnel consumers or producers?
I spend my time training instead of growing organic vegetables. Am I a consumer or a producer?
Your argument from the start was bogus. Just admit it. Or keep trying to argue your point but it's really not logical. Your first rebuttal included a contradiction..."the founding fathers were independent but bought things...." oooookay?
There is nothing contradicting aboutbit. They were not consumers as a means of sustenance. They bought things but they we're basicly self sufficient as a culture and as I dividual households.
You can buy things and not be dependent on that for your sustenance, but this country except for a few odd cases has more and more taken up the attitude and mindset that you have espoused which is to become a sharpened stone, good for one thing and to become completely reliant on others for just about anything. As a country we do not really produce much of anything. The US is not known for manufacturing anything. Even American made automobiles only have their corporate headquarters here while other countries actually make the products. Clothing is all made over seas but they so the buttons on here and say it was made in the USA. Almost everything is from China and the reason that is so is precisely because of what you said when you outlined how the system worked when explaining why you would pick a fight with the cashier when your dependency on corporations and consumerism inevitably bites you in the ass in the near future.
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Again, the founding fathers and the rest of the culture here produced all the food they needed. They fed themselves and also sold things so they were independent, but also had money to buy extras. That does not make them consumers or qualify them as a consumer society.
Consumerism really started taking over in the early mid 1900s. Prior to that people would at least grow SOME of their own food even in places with fairly dense population and often times had chickens
Again, the founding fathers and the rest of the culture here produced all the food they needed. They fed themselves and also sold things so they were independent, but also had money to buy extras. That does not make them consumers or qualify them as a consumer society.
You don't need to know organic chemistry to ensure your plants have the minerals they are supposed to.
The reason the big farms owned by corporations who higher chemist to work for them don't have produce that has minerals is because they till the earth, and use massive amounts of chemical fertilizers that cause nutrient lock up and kill microbes in the soil that solubilize minerals from the rocks and sand that is already in the soil.
Most people who know nothing about plants who grow their own vegetables are yeilding produce that is more nutrient dense than anything that can be purchased in the store .
Farmland is some of the least fertile and abused earth on the planet. They have come to rely completely on synthetic fertilizers,npestacides and fungicides to get a "successful harvest" and grow varieties for size rather than anything else.
And your argument that you need to be a chemistry expert inorder to not kill mineral solbalizing bacteria is an argument bass on consumerism anyway. Before consumerism people didn't buy shitty soil in bags, they made compost in their yards and used chicken manure from their chicken houses. They didn't buy shitty synthetic fertilizers either.
.they hey word you are basing your argument on is "buy" as in consume. What you are talking about is a consumerist attempt at growing vegetables and relying on consumerism to grow things. That's another form of dependence where the needy need stores to provide things for them other wise they are both helpless and worthless like you confessed to being.
Yes the founding fathers were able to declare independence because they were dependent. They were not like you whining that if they don't get what they want they will pick fights. They through the tea overboard and said "fuck you we don't need you" bit you can't say that can you? You are needy and dependent.
I grow vegetables, fruit, chickens and rabbits and make my own compost for garden soil. I just know a lot of people who produce something other than food and yet they exchange their efforts for money and use that money at the grocery store.
Then why the fuck are you talking about fighting the guy at the grocery store. Smells like bullshit. You already defined yourself as someone who does NOT do those things.
You already said that you don't grow your own because you do what you do and farmers do what they do "best" so you trade/buy your food from stores. Your a liar because you're pathetic and your realizing that. Lying about yourself in order to save face in an internet discussion.
Even more disgraceful and disgusting, and frankly, exactly what I'd expect from someone threatening the grocery.
Military personnel are literally and legally government property. They belong to a socialist institutions and generally get their food by way of consumerism, and /or a socialist means of distribution.
Military personnel do not produce commodities or produce, but instead get their technology and tools from corporations.
Then why the fuck are you talking about fighting the guy at the grocery store. Smells like bullshit. You already defined yourself as someone who does NOT do those things.
Um no I didn't. Go find that message and quote it.
You already said that you don't grow your own because you do what you do and farmers do what they do "best" so you trade/buy your food from stores.
I never said I don't grow my own food. Go find that message and read it again. I didn't say I don't grow my own food or raise my own animals. NEVER.
Your a liar because you're pathetic and your realizing that. Lying about yourself in order to save face in an internet discussion.
I'm not lying about a single thing. You're confusing me with another user and then lying about what I've said.
You won't find evidence of any of your claims. Simple bitch.
Military personnel are literally and legally government property. They belong to a socialist institutions and generally get their food by way of consumerism, and /or a socialist means of distribution.
Military personnel do not produce commodities or produce, but instead get their technology and tools from corporations.
Yes the founding fathers were able to declare independence because they were dependent. They were not like you whining that if they don't get what they want they will pick fights. They through the tea overboard and said "fuck you we don't need you" bit you can't say that can you? You are needy and dependent.
They didn't pick a fight with fellow colonist wich would be equal to your picking a fist fight with the store workers.
Unlike the men of those days your playing right into your overlords hands by talking about becoming riotous and fighting with store employees of they don't sell you your groceries. The corporations own you because they own your food source.
So yes, they did pick a fight, but with their overlords. They could do that because they were already FUNDAMENTALLY independent, which is how they were able to declare independence and fight their overlords back.
You need your overlords because you would starve without them so instead of fighting them by becoming independent you are talking about turning in your countrymen.
The consumer system is slavery, and your saying if they don't sell you rations you are going to become riotous is proof of that. You are an owned slave and it is pathetic and sad to see you defend your being owned by corporations and the system that they created.
Your last bit there is contracting.
So these men were independent but they bought things? So they were consumers? Producers? What?
We're all producers and consumers. Few of us only consume.
Everything else you said was a straw man. I don't disagree that there is a vitamin and mineral deficiency problem but again, straw man arguments.
Most people produce something and for that they are paid and use that payment to purchase food.
Most people don't know enough organic chemistry to balance minerals in the soil. Most people who garden are buying bags of shitty potting soil and producing sub-par vegetables at best. How is that any better than what we currently have? Give me a break. Subject matter experts in medicine, farming, animal husbandry, etc. makes the USA go 'round. It's a fine system when it isn't owned by people who fucking hate us. That's the real problem; not "consumers".
Are military personnel consumers or producers? Why didn't you answer that? You instead went on and on about the failures of the current system, which I don't disagree with, but you didn't answer the question.
Are military personnel consumers or producers?
I spend my time training instead of growing organic vegetables. Am I a consumer or a producer?
Your argument from the start was bogus. Just admit it. Or keep trying to argue your point but it's really not logical. Your first rebuttal included a contradiction..."the founding fathers were independent but bought things...." oooookay?
There is nothing contradicting aboutbit. They were not consumers as a means of sustenance. They bought things but they we're basicly self sufficient as a culture and as I dividual households.
You can buy things and not be dependent on that for your sustenance, but this country except for a few odd cases has more and more taken up the attitude and mindset that you have espoused which is to become a sharpened stone, good for one thing and to become completely reliant on others for just about anything. As a country we do not really produce much of anything. The US is not known for manufacturing anything. Even American made automobiles only have their corporate headquarters here while other countries actually make the products. Clothing is all made over seas but they so the buttons on here and say it was made in the USA. Almost everything is from China and the reason that is so is precisely because of what you said when you outlined how the system worked when explaining why you would pick a fight with the cashier when your dependency on corporations and consumerism inevitably bites you in the ass in the near future. .
Again, the founding fathers and the rest of the culture here produced all the food they needed. They fed themselves and also sold things so they were independent, but also had money to buy extras. That does not make them consumers or qualify them as a consumer society.
Consumerism really started taking over in the early mid 1900s. Prior to that people would at least grow SOME of their own food even in places with fairly dense population and often times had chickens
Are military personnel consumers or producers?
Define consumer.
You don't need to know organic chemistry to ensure your plants have the minerals they are supposed to.
The reason the big farms owned by corporations who higher chemist to work for them don't have produce that has minerals is because they till the earth, and use massive amounts of chemical fertilizers that cause nutrient lock up and kill microbes in the soil that solubilize minerals from the rocks and sand that is already in the soil.
Most people who know nothing about plants who grow their own vegetables are yeilding produce that is more nutrient dense than anything that can be purchased in the store .
Farmland is some of the least fertile and abused earth on the planet. They have come to rely completely on synthetic fertilizers,npestacides and fungicides to get a "successful harvest" and grow varieties for size rather than anything else.
And your argument that you need to be a chemistry expert inorder to not kill mineral solbalizing bacteria is an argument bass on consumerism anyway. Before consumerism people didn't buy shitty soil in bags, they made compost in their yards and used chicken manure from their chicken houses. They didn't buy shitty synthetic fertilizers either. .they hey word you are basing your argument on is "buy" as in consume. What you are talking about is a consumerist attempt at growing vegetables and relying on consumerism to grow things. That's another form of dependence where the needy need stores to provide things for them other wise they are both helpless and worthless like you confessed to being.
Yes the founding fathers were able to declare independence because they were dependent. They were not like you whining that if they don't get what they want they will pick fights. They through the tea overboard and said "fuck you we don't need you" bit you can't say that can you? You are needy and dependent.
I grow vegetables, fruit, chickens and rabbits and make my own compost for garden soil. I just know a lot of people who produce something other than food and yet they exchange their efforts for money and use that money at the grocery store.
Are military personnel consumers or producers?
Then why the fuck are you talking about fighting the guy at the grocery store. Smells like bullshit. You already defined yourself as someone who does NOT do those things.
You already said that you don't grow your own because you do what you do and farmers do what they do "best" so you trade/buy your food from stores. Your a liar because you're pathetic and your realizing that. Lying about yourself in order to save face in an internet discussion.
Even more disgraceful and disgusting, and frankly, exactly what I'd expect from someone threatening the grocery.
Military personnel are literally and legally government property. They belong to a socialist institutions and generally get their food by way of consumerism, and /or a socialist means of distribution.
Military personnel do not produce commodities or produce, but instead get their technology and tools from corporations.
Um no I didn't. Go find that message and quote it.
I never said I don't grow my own food. Go find that message and read it again. I didn't say I don't grow my own food or raise my own animals. NEVER.
I'm not lying about a single thing. You're confusing me with another user and then lying about what I've said.
You won't find evidence of any of your claims. Simple bitch.
Good luck executing that Q plan without military.
Why are you even here?
Um the Founding Fathers did pick a fight.
They didn't pick a fight with fellow colonist wich would be equal to your picking a fist fight with the store workers. Unlike the men of those days your playing right into your overlords hands by talking about becoming riotous and fighting with store employees of they don't sell you your groceries. The corporations own you because they own your food source.
So yes, they did pick a fight, but with their overlords. They could do that because they were already FUNDAMENTALLY independent, which is how they were able to declare independence and fight their overlords back.
You need your overlords because you would starve without them so instead of fighting them by becoming independent you are talking about turning in your countrymen.
The consumer system is slavery, and your saying if they don't sell you rations you are going to become riotous is proof of that. You are an owned slave and it is pathetic and sad to see you defend your being owned by corporations and the system that they created.
And yet you bring up examples of Freemasonic/Jacobin psyops.
They were owned slaves, too.