My aunt is trying to convince me to get the jab. I, of course, am not going to. I cite things like, "Why should I when there are effective treatments like Ivermectin and HCQ already?" She of course, wants to see what studies i'm referring to. I used to be able to find a handful of studies supporting the use of Ivermectin & or HCQ..... but holy shit, those seem to have been scrubbed off the search results of even DuckDuckGo. Do any of you folks have links I can share with her?
Comments (18)
sorted by:
Here is a metadata analysis that includes links to 63 different published papers and experimental reports on Ivermectin.
At the top of the page are links to many other metadata analyses of other treatments, including HCQ, itself with 338 such published papers and experimental reports of the efficacy and safety of HCQ for treatment and prophylaxis effects regarding Covid-19.
The amount of data is overfuckingwhelming. In the history of medicine I don't think there has ever been better statistical evidence of positive efficacy for any one disease. The fact that it is so well hidden is a huge red-pill for anyone willing to look at this data.
Why are you even talking to her about it. If you REALLY can't tell her to mind her own bid'ness: Just say "I am discussing options with my doctor." "What did your doc say" "Waiting to schedule a follow up" And be done.
B/c she's my aunt. I love her and want her to be informed rather than ignorant.
Don't tangle up Love with this. You can inform her. But she isn't respecting YOU and YOUR decision. That isn't "loving" of her. You have ZERO obligation to fend her off and feel guilty for your taking sovereignty of your body.
Remember ONLY you are accountable for your soul. When you get to the proverbial pearly gates and you are asked what decisions you've made with your gift of life... If you protected your temple...if you honored life... it ain't going to fly if you say:
"Hey, y'all in took the mark if the mark of them beast cuz aunt sue said a lot of emotional words my way"
Fortify yourself, fren, it is just the beginning of them squeeze. It is hard. I am dealing w the same thing.
My love to you and your fam.
Informing for the sake of improving one's life is great, convincing a non-medical professional that they really don't have the ability to coerce you into doing something that you don't want to is different, though. Don't be surprised if no source is good enough, or legitimate enough,, or "it's too much to read". I've learned to construe all of these responses as, "it's easier for me to ignore facts because society lets me and as a bonus I get to tell you what to do, and make you feel bad for not doing it." Really, anyone hanging onto that to use isn't going to put it down easily, and facts become a pain in the ass that they find any way to avoid because they ruin this system of control over others for them.
I've had these conversations with family, too.
I hear yall, but I think yall have a picture of my aunt that may be inaccurate. She's been a right winger all her life. Thinks COVID is a bioweapon. Thinks the election was stolen etc.... that said, she's bought into the COVID propaganda, hook line & sinker. She'll send me a video from a Dr she likes to follow , but he's just reading CDC numbers and statistics like the next fool. She just sees my posts talking about Ivermectin etc and was curious where my viewpoint comes from is all.
c19hcq.com c19ivermectin.com
Download: EUA Fact sheet for Recipients - Pfizer-BioNTECH COVID-19 Vaccine_FINAL.pdf
and show it to her.
Here are a few sources - think most of them are stilla active.
Ivermectin Timeline - covers the whole IVM saga up to july.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/352853743_A_Continuation_of_a_Timeline_of_Ivermectin-Related_Events_in_the_COVID-19_Pandemic_June_30_2021
british group trying to get the drug approved in the UK: https://bird-group.org/
Kory, Marek et al at front line covid critical care alliance:
flccc.net
Lawrie/Bryant meta-analysis writeup: https://trialsitenews.com/uk-based-meta-analysis-peer-reviewed-published-suggests-ivermectin-a-key-public-health-weapon-in-the-war-against-covid-19/
Medical Update Online - especially recommend listening to Jackie Stone: https://medicalupdateonline.com/
Lawrie/Bryant paper, now peer-reviewed: https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Abstract/9000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.98040.aspx
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/353195913_Bayesian_Meta_Analysis_of_Ivermectin_Effectiveness_in_Treating_Covid-19_Disease
Juan Chamie: https://covid19criticalcare.com/ivermectin-in-covid-19/epidemiologic-analyses-on-covid19-and-ivermectin/
Juan Chamie: https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/JUAN-CHAMIE-REAL-WORLD-EVIDENCE-The-Case-of-Peru.pdf
Safety Analysis: https://www.medincell.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Clinical_Safety_of_Ivermectin-March_2021.pdf (Still on pre-print servers… as of June 21)
Original Australia paper showing anti-viral properties of Ivermectin against Sars-Cov-2: Wagstaff. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011?via%3Dihub
African epidemiologic study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33259913/ Ivermectin use for dengue fever: https://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pntd.0006934 Rajter Study, Sept 2020: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124461v2
https://twitter.com/mydocjackson/status/1426022487150796801?s=19
https://twitter.com/ZNeveri/status/1407761268711251971?s=19
https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1423662972770168833?s=19
https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/ivermectin-wins-in-court-again-for-human-rights/article_98d26958-a13a-11eb-a698-37c06f632875.html
it's just the way some people cope with the world, and for some characters it kind of makes sense - they can't function with the stress and anxiety that comes from realising how messed up the world is and who can blame them? I don't, i just accept that my own path through this is not the same as theirs. I don't want to scare the crap out of them (especially when they've already taken an irreversible action). For those who could still make a different decision, its a real skill to know how to broach such a difficult topic without just causing a break-down...