A close family member angrily told me last night that my wife, children and I are no longer welcome around her and her children (and MY PARENTS!) until we are all fully vaccinated. She called us "selfish idiots". She interrupted every factual objection I attempted to raise about the vax with "Fauci says...."
I asked her if she had read Fauci's emails. HER: "What emails are you talking about?" ME: "The 1000+ released through a FOIA request several weeks ago." HER: "Oh, don't be ridiculous. Those emails were debunked." ME: "How so?" HER: click.
It is disgusting and heart breaking how the MSM has brainwashed the masses and caused mass psychosis and panic. Common sense and logic have been completely abandoned.
I have not encountered a single liberal or vax zealot that is willing or able to have an actual rational and fact based discussion on any topic that is counter to the narratives. I give up.
lib here, from the other side of the conflict.
I don't think it's that common sense has been abandoned, it's that both sides -- lib and based -- are rewriting their common sense in response to the evidence they see, which is rarely a complete picture of a big complicated mess. All the common sense in the world won't help you if you assembled your way of thinking from bad evidence: the foundation is poisoned.
Make them a deal: come into the debate willing to admit you're wrong, as long as they're willing to admit the same. If you both come in willing to accept the possibility of being wrong, maybe there's a way to crack a hole in that brick wall between yourself and family.
But if you both plant your feet down, you clash and end up in a stalemate, and the wall -- so to speak -- gets another ten feet higher.
EDIT: Just a curious outsider here, trying to understand more about Q/anons straight from the source.
Good for you for being open minded enough to have questions, and search out and find this site.
That's how we got here, liberal shit is always fucked up. wrong is wrong period and can't be negotiated with. not everyone will like how it ends.
You're wrong, actually. How we got here is more complex, but debates are NOT conducted as nomadic indicates and that's the problem. Faggots like Shapiro contributed to the downfall of discourse. It's not about what IS right it's about BEING RIGHT. People are more interested in BEING right than seeking what IS right and they would rather inflate their egos by making someone looks stupid rather than actually articulate their stance.
Liberal shit isn't always fucked up and if you really believe the right is somehow infallible, you're a bigger fool than OP's family member.
When they changed homosexuality from a mental disorder to a sexual preference many years ago, some of us warned what would happen. what compromise do you want to make? what debate is there? time to put the genie back into the bottle.
That’s why I’m always open for discussion vs a debate. If I’m wrong about something I want y to I know.