Sorry to nit pick, and totally agree that this was a planned disaster to arm the Taliban at the expense of lives (American and Christian). But the books seem cooked.
Specifically the MIL intelligence equipment is valued as $78M each and 16k were left behind?? That's 1.2T just by itself.
The list I originally came across talked about a significant amount of secure radios. If these are manpack class 10k, not 78M would be a better figure for there value.That would bring the total value for that line item down to 160M not 1.2T.
Can someone supply the make model and cost of the MIL Intel Hardware to justify the 1.2T that this adds to the bottom line.
Also if these were direction finding (as an example) then almost every 500k Humvee was configured with a 78M DF system??
Things are just not adding up correctly, and to me this reeks of misinformation. It's so juicy everybody will want to run with it, discrediting many in the process.
THANKS
Feel free to do your own research. As I said, some of these were guesses as the items were not further defined in any sources that I could find. Misinformation? No. Clearly- qualified guesses where necessary with sources identified? Yes.
Not trying to be a butt head, but this still doesn't ring true and unfortunately some here are going to run with this and potentially embarrass themselves and this board.
Willing to do some digging, if you can identify which of the many sources was used to generate the quantity (16k) and cost (78M) for the one line item that is almost 95% of the total cost rollup.
Note that if that line item is taken out, then the total $$ falls in line with the 88B reported in other sources.
Please help identify the source for this line item, for without that information this is unusable outside of this forum.
P.S. Have worked on the development of many MIL systems and this does not add up!
Understood, and your insight is appreciated fren. If you look at he comments below my post, you'll see that CoolAsACucumber posted all of the sources which I cited.
I'd feel better knowing that he number is in line, that's for sure. As I said in the post, I was guessing a the cost of line items. The $78M was for KC-46's. That was all I could find under "Military Intelligence Equipment." Ph -- I pulled up the link:
The KC-46 is the latest aerial refueling tanker for the US (179) and a small number was sold to India (6), Indonesia (in discussions) and Japan (4 to 6).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-46_Pegasus
On 24 February 2011, the USAF announced the selection of Boeing's KC-767 tanker bid. The aircraft (A/C) was designated KC-46A. Boeing was also awarded a development contract for the tanker. The contract calls for Boeing to complete and deliver 18 initial operational KC-46 tankers by 2017. The Air Force is seeking to receive a total of 179 new tankers.
In March 2015, the program cost for development and procurement of 179 tankers was projected to total US$43.16 billion.
The cost per copy for the A/C sold to Japan was $173M each.
The link
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/144693/usaf-orders-%2478m-trainer-for-kc_46.html
was a 78M contract for the development of a ground based aircrew training system for the KC-46. Those are one off systems hosted at facilities that the A/C are based at. The actual cost per copy after development is much less and probably a reasonably estimate is that 5 copies at 10-20M each are here in the states and one copy delivered as part of the FMS KC-46 sale to India, Indonesia, and Japan
Bottom line, Afghan was never allowed to buy KC-46 through FMS (Foreign Military Sales) and most assuredly none were left behind (as was other deliberate leave behinds). The 16k were probably radios like SINCGARS or EPLRS, which
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SINCGARShttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Position_Location_Reporting_System
with most (if not all) being SINCGARS variants (hopefully not with the US crypto installed). If so 10k per copy is a generous allocation for each unit so that line item comes down from 1.2T to 160M
Hope that help!
Sorry to nit pick, and totally agree that this was a planned disaster to arm the Taliban at the expense of lives (American and Christian). But the books seem cooked. Specifically the MIL intelligence equipment is valued as $78M each and 16k were left behind?? That's 1.2T just by itself. The list I originally came across talked about a significant amount of secure radios. If these are manpack class 10k, not 78M would be a better figure for there value.That would bring the total value for that line item down to 160M not 1.2T. Can someone supply the make model and cost of the MIL Intel Hardware to justify the 1.2T that this adds to the bottom line. Also if these were direction finding (as an example) then almost every 500k Humvee was configured with a 78M DF system?? Things are just not adding up correctly, and to me this reeks of misinformation. It's so juicy everybody will want to run with it, discrediting many in the process. THANKS
Feel free to do your own research. As I said, some of these were guesses as the items were not further defined in any sources that I could find. Misinformation? No. Clearly- qualified guesses where necessary with sources identified? Yes.
Not trying to be a butt head, but this still doesn't ring true and unfortunately some here are going to run with this and potentially embarrass themselves and this board. Willing to do some digging, if you can identify which of the many sources was used to generate the quantity (16k) and cost (78M) for the one line item that is almost 95% of the total cost rollup. Note that if that line item is taken out, then the total $$ falls in line with the 88B reported in other sources. Please help identify the source for this line item, for without that information this is unusable outside of this forum. P.S. Have worked on the development of many MIL systems and this does not add up!
Understood, and your insight is appreciated fren. If you look at he comments below my post, you'll see that CoolAsACucumber posted all of the sources which I cited.
I'd feel better knowing that he number is in line, that's for sure. As I said in the post, I was guessing a the cost of line items. The $78M was for KC-46's. That was all I could find under "Military Intelligence Equipment." Ph -- I pulled up the link:
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/144693/usaf-orders-%2478m-trainer-for-kc_46.html
The KC-46 is the latest aerial refueling tanker for the US (179) and a small number was sold to India (6), Indonesia (in discussions) and Japan (4 to 6). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-46_Pegasus On 24 February 2011, the USAF announced the selection of Boeing's KC-767 tanker bid. The aircraft (A/C) was designated KC-46A. Boeing was also awarded a development contract for the tanker. The contract calls for Boeing to complete and deliver 18 initial operational KC-46 tankers by 2017. The Air Force is seeking to receive a total of 179 new tankers. In March 2015, the program cost for development and procurement of 179 tankers was projected to total US$43.16 billion. The cost per copy for the A/C sold to Japan was $173M each.
The link https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-view/release/3/144693/usaf-orders-%2478m-trainer-for-kc_46.html was a 78M contract for the development of a ground based aircrew training system for the KC-46. Those are one off systems hosted at facilities that the A/C are based at. The actual cost per copy after development is much less and probably a reasonably estimate is that 5 copies at 10-20M each are here in the states and one copy delivered as part of the FMS KC-46 sale to India, Indonesia, and Japan
Bottom line, Afghan was never allowed to buy KC-46 through FMS (Foreign Military Sales) and most assuredly none were left behind (as was other deliberate leave behinds). The 16k were probably radios like SINCGARS or EPLRS, which https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SINCGARS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Position_Location_Reporting_System with most (if not all) being SINCGARS variants (hopefully not with the US crypto installed). If so 10k per copy is a generous allocation for each unit so that line item comes down from 1.2T to 160M Hope that help!