EDIT: post title should write 60 days not 30
I have a vested interested in Canada as my wife is Canadian and her parents live in Ontario. I also believe Canada is a tinder box and their governments ties with China is remarkable.
Some really interesting (Israel interesting) numbers coming out of there.
"Provincial data show 99.5 per cent of all COVID-19 ICU admissions from mid-June to mid-July were in unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people, and nearly 96 per cent of related deaths were in the same group."
Aug 4th Ontario jab stats aged 12+ -
83% one dose.
71.4% two doses
Sep 5th 2021 https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-reports-811-new-covid-19-infections-three-new-virus-related/
"Health Minister Christine Elliott says 643 of the most recent infections are in people who are not fully vaccinated or whose vaccination status isn’t known. She says 266 people are hospitalized with the virus, only 32 of whom are fully immunized."
notice now they use " only 32 of whom..." compared to "99%+...." a month ago
Sep 5th Ontario jab stats aged 12+-
84% one dose
77% two doses
The math is reflecting Israel and Iceland to the letter.
In only 2.5-3 months they went from have 99%+ of people in ICU and hospital unvaxxed with less than 1% vaxxed to 12% while the only discernible rise in jabs was the second dose (3 month increase in second dose uptake ~8% increase)
Yesterday they had 944 "cases". 651 no jab OR one dose (clever way of collecting data) and a whopping 208 fully jabbed plus 85 unknown (strange)
Over the last month they had a 1% increase in first dose jabs and ~7% for second dose.
Now, the argument can be made that as the total jabbed number has gone up, the total unjabbed number in hospital has remained steady. Naturally, one would think that this is clear evidence that the rate of unjabbed hitting hospital grows. However, like the CDC, they don't count people as fully immunized until the 15th day post shot. This leaves everyone in that 14 day window as an "unvaccianted" incident.
Another interesting note. They now have more double dosed people in hospital than single dosed even though they have a higher number of single dosed residents.
Current numbers:
ICU-
102 no jab
7 single dose
12 double dose
Hospitalized-
146 no jab
16 one dose
32 double dosed
For whatever reason, they have 2x the amount of people in hospital with two doses even though they have 7% more single dose vs double dose.
TLDR; The percentage of fully jabbed has exploded 1100% in a 60 day span in Ontario, Canada. Even though percentage of second dose jabs has increase by ~7% over the same period. They now have 2x more double dosed people in hospital vs single dose even though they have more single dosed residents.
They are moving the exact same way that Israel, Iceland, Hawaii, UK and every other country in the world is moving. The Storm is coming.
None of this garbage data provided by governments and these articles takes into account the toll on people's emotional state and physical well being. Obesity is linked to a 113% increase in covid hospitalizations, 48% increase in death and 74% increase in ICU admissions. https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/why-covid-19-more-deadly-people-obesity-even-if-theyre-young
They are leaving out so much data it's unbelievable. What I've posted here doesn't even begin to go into data they are purposely leaving out.
First off, I said better link, not better article. If you were paying attention to the article, you’d see the graph was embedded in the article.
***The point was the trend is clear that unvaccinated are ending up in the ICU at much higher rates.
***This is happening EVERYWHERE.
***Did you just ask me to prove the mRNA vaccine works? Hilarious. The burden to prove it worked has been accomplished, now we also have empirical evidence on top of clinical data. This just shows me how amateur you are, placing the burden to prove the vaccine works while actually ignoring data that exists. The burden lies on you who denies that it works, not me or anyone else.
So while you float the idea of rejecting garbage data, after asking to see more data (which in itself is a conundrum) I’d like to point out that bad data is when people parrot factoids that vaccinated severe hospital cases are up 1100%. Because you see, when I inspect that data, it’s always LOW numbers. For example 2 severe vax people have Covid in March, now let’s say for example that number is 22 cases. That’s 1100%. Ring the fire alarm the vax is killing people! Right? That’s your logic, am I right? Of course let’s ignore the VOLUME of severe cases of unvaccinated, right? If a child needs an ICU bed, and it has been occupied by someone unvaccinated - while there is room today, in 4 months how should we solve that moral dilemma if there is no room? Should we treat you instead of another, simply because you refused facts?
I think that should be in the hospital’s rights if it gets to that point, as I also simultaneously believe that it’s our rights to choose a vaccine, I don’t believe in passports or tyranny. I walked into a sushi/ramen place and was refused service for not wearing a mask. I was angry about that, even though I’m fully vaccinated. I do believe we should see things start to go back to normal as the numbers go down. But unfortunately, they are trending the wrong way. 2 people I know in my ext ended family were hospitalized w Covid, I didn’t ask if they were vaccinated) but if i were a betting man...
That data is everywhere. Even in red states w conservative doctors, people will say but they’re all “bought by big pharma”, right? Did you know polio vaccine virtually helped eliminate child leukemia. Do you know that not everything is a lie?
Let’s obfuscate the fact that the vaccine has kept millions upon millions of people with comorbidities and other conditions either symptom free or at least out of the hospital. This is not debatable.
And while I respect your desire to be a maverick, and obfuscate all facts that don’t fit your narrative, I am also entitled to my professional opinion.
You managed to write a bunch of bullshit and avoid every point I asked you to write about lmao. You're terrible at this.
I'll explain this to you in a way even your emotionally charged mind will understand.
You didn't "inspect" anything and that is clear so let me break it down for you.
The numbers I provided are official government stats. They show a trend DESPITE a lack of transparent data. You seem to have a problem with understanding this basic issue.
You also don't understand rate and ratio and that's why you went on this emotional tirade.
I pointed to clear issues in my post. I kept emotions out of it. The issues are a lack of data on just what is happening.
The problem is the lack of data on exactly what you mentioned, the volume.
There is no data to suggest the jab works. The onus is on you to provide the transparent data that includes all the details I asked for which ignored entirely.
You see, unlike you I don't simply look at total numbers and come to a retarded conclusion. I need to see everything and when everything isn't provided to me, I ask why.
The volume doesn't matter to any statistician worth a penny. What matters is what's going on within the number.
Example:
1100 ICU patients Stats we get: age, vaccinated status Stats we don't get: terminal/non-terminal status, preexisting conditions, whether or not they are obese, whether or not they are repeat, if theyve been vaccinated and fall within the 14 day period they are counted as unvaccinated, residence status (government nursing home, private nursing home or private residence)
When you have the above data, you can make a conclusion on just what the danger is to general society.
But of course, you don't like data, numbers are too hard for you and you're controlled by your emotions.
I even went out of my way to post a study from sciencemag showing just how your odds favor if you are obese. A stat governments do not display, especially to a fat nation like us.
There is no evidence the vaccine is kept millions out of anything. The data from this year where mass vaccines have been administered is showing there is a higher rate of death and ICU than last year. I don't know what numbers you're looking at.
Now I'll make it even easier for you. If you can find the data that pulls out of the total number:
The vaccinated within the 14 days they count as unvaccinated who ended up dead or in hospital, their details including age, residence status, obesity status, preexisting conditions, terminal status etc, I'll debate you again.
Now I find it comical that you got jabbed and are desperately trying to negotiate with yourself and others that It works.
Comically, you'll need a third, fourth and nth or be cut off from society and even then I suspect you'll defend it.
Next time come with the numbers. Otherwise do yourself and everyone else here a favor and STFU.
Listen, I may have been harsh mate, and for that I do apologize. I definitely included some emotion in the argument for which you rightly called me out.
But, Mr rocket man (pun intended) I fear you are not seeing the simplest of all solutions. While it’s difficult to get the data you seek, we actually have the data and much more data for statistical analysis. The lying main stream media does not give us all the facts, and nor does The Who or cdc.
It seems to me, a simple solution is to look at the states in the US that are having extremely low death rates, aren’t they all states with higher vaccinations? My point is I believe the vaccine works and it was approved under EUA for the purpose of profits- time will tell whether it is more or less efficacious than conventional cheaper drugs.
Is this a perfect medicine, hell no. I’m actually starting to be very impressed with the now over 60 studies done on ivermectin.
But in my view, the vaccine is a major cog in a machinery of solutions. In the end the benefit was greater than risk... the US approaching 700K deaths, that would easily be 1-2 Million people without the vaccines. Kill rate is higher for elderly and obese but it still kills adults
Time will tell if long term affects of vaccines are harmful but I think it is not a population culling device, I refuse to believe that- simply because it’s inefficient and wouldn’t poison or nuclear weapons be better... or maybe energy directed weaponry. I dunno. I think Trump was in a bind w chinas release of the bioweapon. This attack was their contingency plan should globalists be challenged in any form (the outsider- Trump).
Evil exists and so does greed, but we must not mirror the tyrannical fools that try to rule over us. We should be kind to those that are vaccinated and not wish them harm, and unvaccinated alike, regardless of the libtards and authoritarian idiots who have censored HCQ and ivermectin, have done much harm in our political divide - those that have hidden the truth about medications- for profit- just because they act a evil doesn’t mean we patriots must do the same and fight one another.
No worries, fren. The problem with your way of viewing the numbers is that you're missing a whole bunch of variables.
For example to make the claim that instead of 700k deaths it would be 2m you would need data that the government is simply not providing. The gov labels anyone who dies or is hospitalized within the 14 day window after second jab as non jabbed. That Immediately skews the numbers.
They don't release the number of repeat patients in ICU/hospitalized. They don't release terminal/non-terminal data and considering the vast majority of deaths are elderly from nursing homes who have multiple comorbidities, it becomes impossible to make the claim that the jab is doing any saving at all.
In fact, since I posted that post, Ontario now has DOUBLE the amount of people in ICU who are two dose vs one dose even though there are MORE one dosers.
You for whatever reason believe the government on this issue but call them crooks otherwise. Wake up. And if you're going to try and prove a point using numbers, understand how numbers actually work.
Find me the data that subtracts every single 14 day window jabbed death/ICU/hospitalization, terminal patients not due to covid, and all the labelled as covid deaths because they were tested positive within a 14 day window prior to death and then let's talk about data.
The issue is you'll never be able to because it doesn't exist and it doesn't exist because it's easier to prey on and fool gullible people like you than it is being honest.