The account is NOT scriptural. Christ was no doubt abused but no where near this portrayal. If he was near death when crucified then his quick death would not have been a surprise to Pontius Pilate. The movie is from a Marian perspective and puts tremendous emphasis on suffering. Deluge of downvotes in 3….2….1
It says in scripture he wasn't just whipped but flogged 39 times. That would turn any body into a bloody pulp. So why was Pontius surprised? Well, scourging was a common practice before crucifixion for certain crimes and most people still spent usually a day on the cross. What is also surprising is that Jesus' "crime" was deemed worthy of scourging. So when Jesus died in a fraction of the time, it would be surprising.
It wasn't "deemed worthy" Pilate scoured Him and then presented Him back to the Jews hoping that would satisfy them and they would let Him go. But that didn't work so the Jews continued to demand His crucifixion.
you're right. i meant from the perspective of those that wanted him dead. Pilate didn't want him dead. Which is interesting, because Pilate actually made the suffering much worse, even if that wasn't his intention.
100% The crucifixion was close to a scripture account, and he was flogged more than shown in the movie. But there is a lot of other theological errors in the movie, and as a typical Roman Catholic movie goes it emphasized all on suffering, they have a weird hard on for that stuff, while the rest of us emphasize on His resurrection. The movie was nothing more than soft core porn for gore. I wish I knew the name of it, and unfortunately it's in Arabic but there is a very very old Egyptian movie about Christ that is extremely good.
to be fair, the movie is called the passion. not the passion and resurrection. I do think Christians need to do a better job understanding the suffering part of it all. The resurrection is to instill hope. Why I think it is super important to understand the suffering is that Jesus never promised we wouldn't suffering on the earth. He didn't suffer to prevent us from suffering in this time and space. A lot of his teaching is to warn us and prepare us for the coming persecution. We need to mentally prepare for the suffering so that it isnt a total shock. This will give us endurance and hope when we face the evil in front of us. The church will carry out the passion in the days to come, and by the church, I mean the members of Christ.
They added their own flair into it, one being Satan in the garden (which he wasn't) not to mention making Satan a woman thing, another was their take on Judas, which isn't biblical with him hiding under a bridge? as well as Christ "inventing" a table with chairs. In these parts they could have done so much more that was actually Biblical instead of adding their own weird theology to the movie.
oh yeah, i can agree with you there. i was just commenting on why it focused on the suffering rather than the resurrection. i might have missed your point, sorry about that. but i think the point of the movie was to emphasize the suffering to really hit your heart. But at the end of the day, it's still Hollywood. I think Hollywood shows a lot of violence, but not the accurate correlation of suffering that goes along with it. It desensitizes in a way. i know the movie moved a lot of people spiritually seeing the brutality, letting them see what He actually went through for us. and if it brings more people to Christ, then the movie did its job (or anyone's job, which is to serve and witness to Christ)
The account is NOT scriptural. Christ was no doubt abused but no where near this portrayal. If he was near death when crucified then his quick death would not have been a surprise to Pontius Pilate. The movie is from a Marian perspective and puts tremendous emphasis on suffering. Deluge of downvotes in 3….2….1
It says in scripture he wasn't just whipped but flogged 39 times. That would turn any body into a bloody pulp. So why was Pontius surprised? Well, scourging was a common practice before crucifixion for certain crimes and most people still spent usually a day on the cross. What is also surprising is that Jesus' "crime" was deemed worthy of scourging. So when Jesus died in a fraction of the time, it would be surprising.
It wasn't "deemed worthy" Pilate scoured Him and then presented Him back to the Jews hoping that would satisfy them and they would let Him go. But that didn't work so the Jews continued to demand His crucifixion.
you're right. i meant from the perspective of those that wanted him dead. Pilate didn't want him dead. Which is interesting, because Pilate actually made the suffering much worse, even if that wasn't his intention.
100% The crucifixion was close to a scripture account, and he was flogged more than shown in the movie. But there is a lot of other theological errors in the movie, and as a typical Roman Catholic movie goes it emphasized all on suffering, they have a weird hard on for that stuff, while the rest of us emphasize on His resurrection. The movie was nothing more than soft core porn for gore. I wish I knew the name of it, and unfortunately it's in Arabic but there is a very very old Egyptian movie about Christ that is extremely good.
to be fair, the movie is called the passion. not the passion and resurrection. I do think Christians need to do a better job understanding the suffering part of it all. The resurrection is to instill hope. Why I think it is super important to understand the suffering is that Jesus never promised we wouldn't suffering on the earth. He didn't suffer to prevent us from suffering in this time and space. A lot of his teaching is to warn us and prepare us for the coming persecution. We need to mentally prepare for the suffering so that it isnt a total shock. This will give us endurance and hope when we face the evil in front of us. The church will carry out the passion in the days to come, and by the church, I mean the members of Christ.
They added their own flair into it, one being Satan in the garden (which he wasn't) not to mention making Satan a woman thing, another was their take on Judas, which isn't biblical with him hiding under a bridge? as well as Christ "inventing" a table with chairs. In these parts they could have done so much more that was actually Biblical instead of adding their own weird theology to the movie.
oh yeah, i can agree with you there. i was just commenting on why it focused on the suffering rather than the resurrection. i might have missed your point, sorry about that. but i think the point of the movie was to emphasize the suffering to really hit your heart. But at the end of the day, it's still Hollywood. I think Hollywood shows a lot of violence, but not the accurate correlation of suffering that goes along with it. It desensitizes in a way. i know the movie moved a lot of people spiritually seeing the brutality, letting them see what He actually went through for us. and if it brings more people to Christ, then the movie did its job (or anyone's job, which is to serve and witness to Christ)