Yes, they're the same in the sense that we have three parts: soul, body, and spirit. God does too: Soul(Father), body(Jesus), and spirit(Holy Spirit).
What we suffer in our lives is the wrath of man and the wrath of Satan, permitted by God. What Jesus suffered on the cross was the wrath of God through the hands of men. Therefore, Jesus takes all of God's wrath, paying the whole price. If we suffered any it'd be an incomplete gift/justification.
God isn't treating himself inconsistently, as His wrath is because of us, not Jesus. Jesus chooses to take the cup of wrath in the garden as our last Adam, a kinsman redeemer as in Ruth. It is God's righteousness given to us through Jesus Christ.
This premise shouldn't be awkward, as God's Words are given to us through the words and writings of men via the Holy Spirit, so His wrath can come through men as well and be paid by His body via Jesus Christ. Also, Jesus and the Father did interact as separate entities while still both being God. Jesus prayed, did His Father's will, resisted temptation using scripture, etc.
No! This theology is wrong! Christ didn't suffer the "wrath" of God. Also the Trinity isn't "body soul spirit" it is just the Trinity we can not grasp the understanding of the Trinity it just is. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
This theology is very Roman Catholic, so I am going to assume you are Roman Catholic, it is teaching the satisfaction theory of atonement. When in reality this isn't what happened. Christ lived a perfect life as a man and as such He was the only one who could overcome Death (death was the punishment given to us in the Garden) Christ did what we couldn't, there is no "pouring out of wrath" by the Father.
Also, I have never heard of this ridiculous notion of the "wrath of man and wrath of Satan" no we suffer a fallen nature because of what happened in the Garden when Eve and Adam sinned. While we are a fallen nature we have the free will to choose not to sin, we always have a choice to avoid temptations. And there is no wrath of Satan anything Satan does is allowed by God.
This is more theological than just straight reading the Bible, and for the most part we all did interpret it the same way, until we had a disagreement on the nature of Christ which led to the Eastern Orthodox leaving the Church, from there the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic had another disagreement (one I don't know to well) which was also theological in nature and they seperated from each other, from there you have the Roman Catholic and what was to be the Protestant churches and from the Protestant they have divisions among themselves.
I am not Roman Catholic. What are Christians "saved" from? We're saved from the power of sin now, the penalty of sin at judgment, and the presence of sin in eternity.
We're saved from Hell. God's judgment. God's wrath. Jesus suffering from our wrath accomplishes nothing - our wrath is corrupt and full of sin and doesn't necessitate fulfilling. God's wrath is pure and righteous, however, and it must be paid for God to be just. Thankfully, He is merciful and provided One who could pay an eternal sin debt in an afternoon so we don't have to spend an eternity burning trying to satisfy God's wrath towards us.
I disagree with you on most of these other topics as well, but the gospel message is really all that's worth debating at this point. I think we've both presented our beliefs and I'll leave it at that.
Yes, they're the same in the sense that we have three parts: soul, body, and spirit. God does too: Soul(Father), body(Jesus), and spirit(Holy Spirit).
What we suffer in our lives is the wrath of man and the wrath of Satan, permitted by God. What Jesus suffered on the cross was the wrath of God through the hands of men. Therefore, Jesus takes all of God's wrath, paying the whole price. If we suffered any it'd be an incomplete gift/justification.
God isn't treating himself inconsistently, as His wrath is because of us, not Jesus. Jesus chooses to take the cup of wrath in the garden as our last Adam, a kinsman redeemer as in Ruth. It is God's righteousness given to us through Jesus Christ.
This premise shouldn't be awkward, as God's Words are given to us through the words and writings of men via the Holy Spirit, so His wrath can come through men as well and be paid by His body via Jesus Christ. Also, Jesus and the Father did interact as separate entities while still both being God. Jesus prayed, did His Father's will, resisted temptation using scripture, etc.
No! This theology is wrong! Christ didn't suffer the "wrath" of God. Also the Trinity isn't "body soul spirit" it is just the Trinity we can not grasp the understanding of the Trinity it just is. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
This theology is very Roman Catholic, so I am going to assume you are Roman Catholic, it is teaching the satisfaction theory of atonement. When in reality this isn't what happened. Christ lived a perfect life as a man and as such He was the only one who could overcome Death (death was the punishment given to us in the Garden) Christ did what we couldn't, there is no "pouring out of wrath" by the Father.
Also, I have never heard of this ridiculous notion of the "wrath of man and wrath of Satan" no we suffer a fallen nature because of what happened in the Garden when Eve and Adam sinned. While we are a fallen nature we have the free will to choose not to sin, we always have a choice to avoid temptations. And there is no wrath of Satan anything Satan does is allowed by God.
Weird, you'd think by now everyone would interpret the Bible the exact same way ;)
This is more theological than just straight reading the Bible, and for the most part we all did interpret it the same way, until we had a disagreement on the nature of Christ which led to the Eastern Orthodox leaving the Church, from there the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic had another disagreement (one I don't know to well) which was also theological in nature and they seperated from each other, from there you have the Roman Catholic and what was to be the Protestant churches and from the Protestant they have divisions among themselves.
Knowing this, you might want to avoid absolute statements when discussing your particular take on scripture or theology with other Christians.
"No! This theology is wrong!" probably isn't the right way to kick off those discussions if you're actually looking to make some headway with people.
I'm sure you know this and just forgot. I do so all the time :)
I am not Roman Catholic. What are Christians "saved" from? We're saved from the power of sin now, the penalty of sin at judgment, and the presence of sin in eternity.
We're saved from Hell. God's judgment. God's wrath. Jesus suffering from our wrath accomplishes nothing - our wrath is corrupt and full of sin and doesn't necessitate fulfilling. God's wrath is pure and righteous, however, and it must be paid for God to be just. Thankfully, He is merciful and provided One who could pay an eternal sin debt in an afternoon so we don't have to spend an eternity burning trying to satisfy God's wrath towards us.
I disagree with you on most of these other topics as well, but the gospel message is really all that's worth debating at this point. I think we've both presented our beliefs and I'll leave it at that.
I read a really great book recently.
Michael Reeves Delighting in the Trinity: An Introduction to the Christian Faith
Short, lively, and very enjoyable that will teach you things about the Trinity you never knew were so wonderful! I highly recommend.