When it comes to the science, I'd say the biggest thing that globers don't understand is that the science is applicable to both.
Today someone argued - planes don't have to nose down because of atmospheric pressure. (...) Well... they wouldn't have to nose-down in that case on a flat earth, either. So what are they proving?
Another person gave the 'dropping an object in a moving car' example. Okay... that idea would still work on a flat plane. So again, what does that prove?
The discussion always rockets straight into pseudoscience because the empirical evidence all points in one direction. There is no experiment that has ever measured curve, the rotation of the earth, or gravity. Nothing 'proves' the sphere. Many things only show a flat earth, many things work on both. Nothing, absolutely nothing, works exclusively on the globe model.
Earth's distance to the sun is based upon assumptions.
Logic dictates the earth is far closer to us than we're lead to believe. The original experiment 'proving' the globe relied on parallel sun-rays.
Anyone who has ever been outside to see sunlight shining through clouds would notice that rays of sunlight are certainly not always parallel to one another.
Does one light on the ceiling of a gymnasium light it entirely? The sun rotates above the earth, lighting it locally rather than globally.
No, but since the gym floor is flat, even if a single light doesn’t illuminate the whole space, I can still see the light on the ceiling. If the sun is up above the surface of the flat earth, lighting locally, why can’t I see it all the time? how does the sun rise and set at the horizon in a flat earth?
Sure, that was just a relatable demonstration of how light doesn't necessarily illuminate an entire unobstructed area.
The reason you can't see the sun at all times is related to rules of perspective.
Everything as it moves farther away from you moves towards your 'apparent horizon'. A road on flat ground, as distance increases, moves up towards the horizon. A cloud, as distance increases, moves down towards the horizon.
Ultimately what that means is, there's exponentially more 'stuff' in the path of light near the horizon. So as the sun moves away from you, it also moves behind anything that is in-between your viewing angle and the sun. So that's clouds, mountains, buildings, or even just particles in the atmosphere itself.
If you own a drone, you can test this yourself. You can set an altitude on your drone over your head - then fly it 100 feet out in front of you at the same altitude. What's happened to your viewing angle? That change continues as you add distance, until the object is nearly sitting on top of the horizon itself.
So the short version is, the sun moves away from your location. As it moves away it also moves towards the horizon due the rules of perspective that you can test literally anywhere. Once it's far enough away, there is enough 'stuff' in between you and the sun at your viewing angle for it to disappear from view. As that happens, the sun appears to set behind whatever that stuff is. Usually clouds, mountains, trees, nearby buildings.
When it comes to the science, I'd say the biggest thing that globers don't understand is that the science is applicable to both.
Today someone argued - planes don't have to nose down because of atmospheric pressure. (...) Well... they wouldn't have to nose-down in that case on a flat earth, either. So what are they proving?
Another person gave the 'dropping an object in a moving car' example. Okay... that idea would still work on a flat plane. So again, what does that prove?
The discussion always rockets straight into pseudoscience because the empirical evidence all points in one direction. There is no experiment that has ever measured curve, the rotation of the earth, or gravity. Nothing 'proves' the sphere. Many things only show a flat earth, many things work on both. Nothing, absolutely nothing, works exclusively on the globe model.
Okay so what about the sun? Why is it dark in some parts of the world when it is light in other parts?
Earth's distance to the sun is based upon assumptions.
Logic dictates the earth is far closer to us than we're lead to believe. The original experiment 'proving' the globe relied on parallel sun-rays.
Anyone who has ever been outside to see sunlight shining through clouds would notice that rays of sunlight are certainly not always parallel to one another.
Does one light on the ceiling of a gymnasium light it entirely? The sun rotates above the earth, lighting it locally rather than globally.
No, but since the gym floor is flat, even if a single light doesn’t illuminate the whole space, I can still see the light on the ceiling. If the sun is up above the surface of the flat earth, lighting locally, why can’t I see it all the time? how does the sun rise and set at the horizon in a flat earth?
Sure, that was just a relatable demonstration of how light doesn't necessarily illuminate an entire unobstructed area.
The reason you can't see the sun at all times is related to rules of perspective.
Everything as it moves farther away from you moves towards your 'apparent horizon'. A road on flat ground, as distance increases, moves up towards the horizon. A cloud, as distance increases, moves down towards the horizon.
Ultimately what that means is, there's exponentially more 'stuff' in the path of light near the horizon. So as the sun moves away from you, it also moves behind anything that is in-between your viewing angle and the sun. So that's clouds, mountains, buildings, or even just particles in the atmosphere itself.
If you own a drone, you can test this yourself. You can set an altitude on your drone over your head - then fly it 100 feet out in front of you at the same altitude. What's happened to your viewing angle? That change continues as you add distance, until the object is nearly sitting on top of the horizon itself.
So the short version is, the sun moves away from your location. As it moves away it also moves towards the horizon due the rules of perspective that you can test literally anywhere. Once it's far enough away, there is enough 'stuff' in between you and the sun at your viewing angle for it to disappear from view. As that happens, the sun appears to set behind whatever that stuff is. Usually clouds, mountains, trees, nearby buildings.