Good points. I love alternate interpretations of the Civil War. I’ve seen ones that make the case Lincoln was the bad guy. Not as cut and dry as formal textbooks would have you believe. Maybe I’m limited by my black and white tendencies, but I watched a video once and the professor/author said the Civil War wasn’t fought N vs S, or slavery vs anti-slavery. Instead it was fought between the parts of the country that believed in the Constitution vs the parts that believed in preserving the union at all costs. That would mobilize the number of people who fought in the CW. I just don’t see slavery getting people motivated enough to risk their lives on either side.
As for the founding fathers, I need to read more. I read once that Freemasons who were founding fathers had a falling out, revealed a rift in the upper ranks of freemasonry, and we got the revolution as a result. Can’t say for sure but you hope they were good guys. Guess it doesn’t matter since the principles of the Revolution, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights are legit. You can’t end slavery without these precedents.
Who needs heroes anymore anyways? All sacred cows must go, haha.
I’ve seen ones that make the case Lincoln was the bad guy.
I have learnt to not look at historical figures as niether good nor bad, but rather to find out what their motives were. As people not living in that age and experiencing what they experienced, there is very little common ground to judge anyone as good or bad.
Lincoln definitely went against the Bankers. He printed money out of Bank control (greenbacks) - and to me thats enough to say he is a guy I respect. You can count the number of people who have gone against the evil bankers on two hands, and the number who have survived to tell the tale - probably only 2.
As for the Civil war - there are multiple layers of obfuscation. Slavery was the lowest level, intended for the most asleep people. Lincoln was never really against Slavery as such (and hence they use it to picture him as the bad guy), but was of the same thinking as most founding fathers - Slavery needs to go, but only systematically so that the freed slaves would not be left high and dry.
The question of slavery was discussed quite extensively even from the beginning. There were too many practical issues to surmount. But clearly in the whole world running on slavery, America was one place they were serious about ending it from day one.
Slavery became too expensive for the Bankers, and thats when they decided to liquidate that, and in turn kill multiple birds.
One can argue that Lincoln was a bad guy because he forced the states to stay in the union even when they wanted to secede. Again, this is a deep state distortion by making everything black and white. Maybe seceding is good in some cases and maybe bad in other cases.
As for the founding fathers, I hadnt heard about the falling out of the freemasons, but it certainly has the right ring to it. I will definitely check that out. BTW, Malcolm Gladwell's podcast Revisionist history had an interesting episode about the Revolutionary war and how it wasn't about the Tea. He may not be telling the whole truth, but I think he was on to something. It was an interesting episode nevertheless.
Thanks for the response. That’s a better way of looking at history than what you get in academia these days. I will check out the Malcolm Gladwell podcast. My two most recent favorites are The Brion McClanahan Show and old lectures / interviews with Shelby Foote.
My two most recent favorites are The Brion McClanahan Show and old lectures / interviews with Shelby Foote.
Thanks for sharing this, I will check them out. Yeah, I am still unlearning everything I learnt for all those years in school. Still trying to find good content thats not contaminated by [DS] and their tools.
Good points. I love alternate interpretations of the Civil War. I’ve seen ones that make the case Lincoln was the bad guy. Not as cut and dry as formal textbooks would have you believe. Maybe I’m limited by my black and white tendencies, but I watched a video once and the professor/author said the Civil War wasn’t fought N vs S, or slavery vs anti-slavery. Instead it was fought between the parts of the country that believed in the Constitution vs the parts that believed in preserving the union at all costs. That would mobilize the number of people who fought in the CW. I just don’t see slavery getting people motivated enough to risk their lives on either side.
As for the founding fathers, I need to read more. I read once that Freemasons who were founding fathers had a falling out, revealed a rift in the upper ranks of freemasonry, and we got the revolution as a result. Can’t say for sure but you hope they were good guys. Guess it doesn’t matter since the principles of the Revolution, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights are legit. You can’t end slavery without these precedents.
Who needs heroes anymore anyways? All sacred cows must go, haha.
I have learnt to not look at historical figures as niether good nor bad, but rather to find out what their motives were. As people not living in that age and experiencing what they experienced, there is very little common ground to judge anyone as good or bad.
Lincoln definitely went against the Bankers. He printed money out of Bank control (greenbacks) - and to me thats enough to say he is a guy I respect. You can count the number of people who have gone against the evil bankers on two hands, and the number who have survived to tell the tale - probably only 2.
As for the Civil war - there are multiple layers of obfuscation. Slavery was the lowest level, intended for the most asleep people. Lincoln was never really against Slavery as such (and hence they use it to picture him as the bad guy), but was of the same thinking as most founding fathers - Slavery needs to go, but only systematically so that the freed slaves would not be left high and dry.
The question of slavery was discussed quite extensively even from the beginning. There were too many practical issues to surmount. But clearly in the whole world running on slavery, America was one place they were serious about ending it from day one.
Slavery became too expensive for the Bankers, and thats when they decided to liquidate that, and in turn kill multiple birds.
One can argue that Lincoln was a bad guy because he forced the states to stay in the union even when they wanted to secede. Again, this is a deep state distortion by making everything black and white. Maybe seceding is good in some cases and maybe bad in other cases.
As for the founding fathers, I hadnt heard about the falling out of the freemasons, but it certainly has the right ring to it. I will definitely check that out. BTW, Malcolm Gladwell's podcast Revisionist history had an interesting episode about the Revolutionary war and how it wasn't about the Tea. He may not be telling the whole truth, but I think he was on to something. It was an interesting episode nevertheless.
Thanks for the response. That’s a better way of looking at history than what you get in academia these days. I will check out the Malcolm Gladwell podcast. My two most recent favorites are The Brion McClanahan Show and old lectures / interviews with Shelby Foote.
Thanks for sharing this, I will check them out. Yeah, I am still unlearning everything I learnt for all those years in school. Still trying to find good content thats not contaminated by [DS] and their tools.