First of all, you can calm the fuck down. I read and like your posts often, but you're sounding like a little bitch right now. Being infiltrated means are now involved, they are not opposite terms. I made quite clear in my post that the Vatican and church are not the same, in fact I don't see how you could read it any other way. The fact is, that masonry has a huge influence in the Vatican in particular, and many Catholics,, including priests, are active masons.