For background, the exact tool by which we sent the message was not technically a modmail but a ban tool, which can be accessed a couple ways. The ban tool always immediately copies the first line of text into the public log, but also creates a modmail for ongoing private discussion. In the same way, whenever anyone makes a comment deleted by a mod, the first line of the comment remains log-visible in those subs that have public logs. AFAIK all other modmail is private besides the first lines of ban notes (with the general disclaimer that admins and staff may see it, let alone hackers).
Again Andy, I apologize for not keeping this in mind and not forestalling this from happening while we were monitoring the new posts feed. It is our policy generally to write ban notes and modmail in a neutral voice, each approximating the voice of the other, so that stylistic analysis does not reveal which mod is performing the action. We both spotted the post at almost the same time and agreed to ban while keeping an open discussion on our options; but that strategy failed due to escalation, so please accept my apology.
Correct. We routinely distinguish between calling a person by a name and calling an action by a name, as we don't want to delete everything whatsoever, and degrees of gradation sometimes make the difference.
Thank you. I didn't think you meant u/ColloidalAlumina because that person was exploring the limits of uncertainty about universalism, which I didn't think you sympathized with. So that explains that without explaining why it agreed with your mood today.
So, you've described a situation and I'm asking again, doesn't Matt. 18:15-17 indicate you should take it up privately and not spread these accusations about freely? Do you think you're taking it to the church? I'm interested about your views of Matt. 18 process (you could've contributed to the thread on that subject), but more important is that I make myself available to you for reconciliation.
Parallel-parked for visibility: u/Andy_Man45 asks, "Show me what you were being patient with."
From the public logs, I can say that 16 days ago you were deleted for a comment beginning "Understand something, my brother, you are dealing a Euchre hand at a Poker table. The spirit of religion is strong amongst these people, they have wandered away. They all babble about coming together". The full comment was flagged for "divisiveness" according to our own log due to its appearance as an attack.
39 days ago you were deleted for a comment beginning "First of all, start addressing the points of my comments instead of me. Judge not? Piroko attacking protestants is perfect example. I didn't cry about him, I answered his charges. You, being the fount". (Reference to u/Piroko.) The full comment was flagged for "inconsideration".
Usually we don't publicize selective aspects of the logs. Is that enough data, Andy, or would you like some additional review that I can help with? I've admitted being part of the problem, can you admit that your oblique style might be a contribution to the issue? Thanks.
The should be a simple resolution. Tell the mouth to act more like Christ, no? But as I've said all along, this is not what it is all about. You have your masters and I have mine. I'll just go away, don't worry over it.
From before my first comment at Win, when I spoke to the mods and admins, I told everyone that my earthly accountability is to SwampRangers.com, Scott Lively, First Century Bible Church, and my local elders.
Incidentally the mod team is considering all its options at this second, thanks for your patience. Obviously that's what the situation calls for.
Let me start the ball rolling though speaking only for myself. I have concluded that I have indeed personally failed you, because I was marginally aware that ban notices are public and I did not work to be proactive to modify practices so that any trending toward double-standard ban notices would be forestalled. But that's to say nothing about the mod board's responsibility for this ban, which is a separate issue. The best I can do to make it up to you is to keep with you and see what would be appropriate restitution. I often find that being the first to apologize on a small point can move us toward apologizing for the bigger things.
–ColloidalAlumina 3 points 7 hours ago +3 / -0
Christ is the starting point of what Christianity is.
For background, the exact tool by which we sent the message was not technically a modmail but a ban tool, which can be accessed a couple ways. The ban tool always immediately copies the first line of text into the public log, but also creates a modmail for ongoing private discussion. In the same way, whenever anyone makes a comment deleted by a mod, the first line of the comment remains log-visible in those subs that have public logs. AFAIK all other modmail is private besides the first lines of ban notes (with the general disclaimer that admins and staff may see it, let alone hackers).
Again Andy, I apologize for not keeping this in mind and not forestalling this from happening while we were monitoring the new posts feed. It is our policy generally to write ban notes and modmail in a neutral voice, each approximating the voice of the other, so that stylistic analysis does not reveal which mod is performing the action. We both spotted the post at almost the same time and agreed to ban while keeping an open discussion on our options; but that strategy failed due to escalation, so please accept my apology.
Correct. We routinely distinguish between calling a person by a name and calling an action by a name, as we don't want to delete everything whatsoever, and degrees of gradation sometimes make the difference.
It looks like a nonconstant length under 200 characters. They appear in c/christianity/logs; mod's names and mod's user notes are not public.
Thank you. I didn't think you meant u/ColloidalAlumina because that person was exploring the limits of uncertainty about universalism, which I didn't think you sympathized with. So that explains that without explaining why it agreed with your mood today.
So, you've described a situation and I'm asking again, doesn't Matt. 18:15-17 indicate you should take it up privately and not spread these accusations about freely? Do you think you're taking it to the church? I'm interested about your views of Matt. 18 process (you could've contributed to the thread on that subject), but more important is that I make myself available to you for reconciliation.
Reverse your question. I get "ridiculous" and "liar" as a first response, open forum. I have no way to respond without being deleted. Authoritarian.
Parallel-parked for visibility: u/Andy_Man45 asks, "Show me what you were being patient with."
From the public logs, I can say that 16 days ago you were deleted for a comment beginning "Understand something, my brother, you are dealing a Euchre hand at a Poker table. The spirit of religion is strong amongst these people, they have wandered away. They all babble about coming together". The full comment was flagged for "divisiveness" according to our own log due to its appearance as an attack.
39 days ago you were deleted for a comment beginning "First of all, start addressing the points of my comments instead of me. Judge not? Piroko attacking protestants is perfect example. I didn't cry about him, I answered his charges. You, being the fount". (Reference to u/Piroko.) The full comment was flagged for "inconsideration".
Usually we don't publicize selective aspects of the logs. Is that enough data, Andy, or would you like some additional review that I can help with? I've admitted being part of the problem, can you admit that your oblique style might be a contribution to the issue? Thanks.
Show me what you were being patient with. Yes, you are now trapped. Go on, get it, my lord.
The should be a simple resolution. Tell the mouth to act more like Christ, no? But as I've said all along, this is not what it is all about. You have your masters and I have mine. I'll just go away, don't worry over it.
From before my first comment at Win, when I spoke to the mods and admins, I told everyone that my earthly accountability is to SwampRangers.com, Scott Lively, First Century Bible Church, and my local elders.
Incidentally the mod team is considering all its options at this second, thanks for your patience. Obviously that's what the situation calls for.
Let me start the ball rolling though speaking only for myself. I have concluded that I have indeed personally failed you, because I was marginally aware that ban notices are public and I did not work to be proactive to modify practices so that any trending toward double-standard ban notices would be forestalled. But that's to say nothing about the mod board's responsibility for this ban, which is a separate issue. The best I can do to make it up to you is to keep with you and see what would be appropriate restitution. I often find that being the first to apologize on a small point can move us toward apologizing for the bigger things.