For simplicity, I'd like to start here (speaking for myself and within the scope of the board's delegated authority to negotiate tentatively) by attempting to summarize informally u/Andy_Man45's specific requests that can be accommodated.
He has asked me and CIAMM twice in Jesus's name to relinquish the forum. While this could be interpreted as both of us stepping down as mods (an option which the other two mods are now evaluating), it's likely that he recognizes that this would itself be disruptive and that some middle ground of mod discipline would be more called for. I hereby ask you, Andy, to please reframe your sincere request in a form that accounts for the shepherding needs of the forum participants.
We have taken his statements as an appeal of his ban. This is under consideration and his responses in this informal negotiation will relate to this consideration.
We have taken his statements as an appeal of his last two comment deletions. Same status as previous paragraph.
CIAMM has offered to edit the comment in which he described Andy's position ("The other thing to remember is that 75% of what Luther wrote would be deleted if it were posted into this forum") as "utterly ridiculous". He seems willing to proceed and I have asked him to expedite this, although it may take some time for him to get back to that thread.
It appears Andy has not completed listing the remedies for his concerns, but there is also an understandable overhead to the research time to making a complete list. I hereby ask you, Andy, if you could list additional content-related steps that would address unresolved concerns, whether by summary or in any other way that we can cognize the offenses and remedies.
Besides remedies, it is important that we all apologize genuinely for whatever sins we are convicted of committing and that we take steps to prevent their recurrence. While this is partially dependent on identifying those sins, it would be expected that these steps will also be identified in accord with that process. I have begun by apologizing for our failure to oversee civility in ban notes.
This is an inexhaustive list and I may find additional past suggestions fitting of response here, besides the future suggestions I'm asking of Andy. Off the top of my head, clarification about the standards we use for enforcement decisions, to demonstrate their freedom from double standard, is an example of a step likely called for.
I trust this channel suffices to begin to answer the concerns you've expressed to us in the Lord's name.
u/Andy_Man45, CIAMM has now admitted that other words would have conveyed his point just as well, and has edited his comment to remove the words "ridiculous" and "foolish" in relation to your position. Initial search for similar comments from either of us did not find any, although it is granted that they may exist in the history and can be dealt with similarly if any are found. We await your acceptance or counterproposal.
For simplicity, I'd like to start here (speaking for myself and within the scope of the board's delegated authority to negotiate tentatively) by attempting to summarize informally u/Andy_Man45's specific requests that can be accommodated.
He has asked me and CIAMM twice in Jesus's name to relinquish the forum. While this could be interpreted as both of us stepping down as mods (an option which the other two mods are now evaluating), it's likely that he recognizes that this would itself be disruptive and that some middle ground of mod discipline would be more called for. I hereby ask you, Andy, to please reframe your sincere request in a form that accounts for the shepherding needs of the forum participants.
We have taken his statements as an appeal of his ban. This is under consideration and his responses in this informal negotiation will relate to this consideration.
We have taken his statements as an appeal of his last two comment deletions. Same status as previous paragraph.
CIAMM has offered to edit the comment in which he described Andy's position ("The other thing to remember is that 75% of what Luther wrote would be deleted if it were posted into this forum") as "utterly ridiculous". He seems willing to proceed and I have asked him to expedite this, although it may take some time for him to get back to that thread.
It appears Andy has not completed listing the remedies for his concerns, but there is also an understandable overhead to the research time to making a complete list. I hereby ask you, Andy, if you could list additional content-related steps that would address unresolved concerns, whether by summary or in any other way that we can cognize the offenses and remedies.
Besides remedies, it is important that we all apologize genuinely for whatever sins we are convicted of committing and that we take steps to prevent their recurrence. While this is partially dependent on identifying those sins, it would be expected that these steps will also be identified in accord with that process. I have begun by apologizing for our failure to oversee civility in ban notes.
This is an inexhaustive list and I may find additional past suggestions fitting of response here, besides the future suggestions I'm asking of Andy. Off the top of my head, clarification about the standards we use for enforcement decisions, to demonstrate their freedom from double standard, is an example of a step likely called for.
I trust this channel suffices to begin to answer the concerns you've expressed to us in the Lord's name.
u/Andy_Man45, CIAMM has now admitted that other words would have conveyed his point just as well, and has edited his comment to remove the words "ridiculous" and "foolish" in relation to your position. Initial search for similar comments from either of us did not find any, although it is granted that they may exist in the history and can be dealt with similarly if any are found. We await your acceptance or counterproposal.